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details from the ramen home

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I'm your host Midwest I guess today

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wants to remain anonymous he goes by the

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name paradigm shift on meta bunk and we

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talk a lot on meta bunk about at nine

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eleven and eleven conspiracy theories

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and paradigm shift is a proponent of the

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controlled demolition conspiracy theory

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or at least he has a lot of questions

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which they didn't think that is quite a

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plausible reality that the world trade

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centers would have been destroyed by

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explosives and not just by the planes

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flying into them we've butted heads on

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meta bunk a few times and I thought it'd

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be good to have a one-on-one discussion

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so we can kind of understand better

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where the earth person is coming from

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this is one of my longer podcasts at an

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hour and a half but it's very

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interesting if you want to try to

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understand why somebody believes in a

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conspiracy theories like the 911

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controlled demolition conspiracy theory

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or if you're just interested in the

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various 9/11 conspiracies so here he is

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paradigm shift alright so welcome to the

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show paradigm shift and thank you very

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much for being here

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thank you very much it's actually a time

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on a podcast like this I'm actually kind

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of excited to engage so the reason I

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wanted to talk to you is that we've been

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talking on meta bunk and and we've been

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having a variety of disagreements about

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different things and specifically you're

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very interested in talking about 9/11

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related topics and so you know we've

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kind of butted heads on meta bunk a bit

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and I think it's good just talk to

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someone directly and you know you get

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much better communication when you're

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actually just talking by a voice rather

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than typing stuff out so I think it's a

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good opportunity for me to explain

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myself to you and for you to explain

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yourself to me so I'd like to just talk

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about the topics in general I saw sound

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sound alright so basically you want to

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talk about like because when we were

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discussing actually saw in the podcast

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you were interested that I said I used

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to believe the

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officials or and that I actually changed

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my mind about it yeah so so basically

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some background about me I'm actually

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just the University student my final

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year I study politics and journalism and

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so incidentally actually my best subject

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in high school was physics so I have a

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slight background I would say I'm an ex

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for anything but I happen to know some

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of the basics involved when it comes to

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some of the terms of people mention like

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you know freefall and all that stuff so

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I kind of understand some of the science

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that goes behind that although I

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wouldn't say I'm expert and I'm still

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trying to understand it a bit better and

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I'd say that from what I would have

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noticed from from your site is that

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actually enough try to make this point

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actually that you do do a good job with

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the bonking a lot of things that are

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false and I think that is it that needs

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to be clarified that I don't necessarily

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think that you know anyone who disagrees

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with what I'm saying or what is contrary

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to popular belief is all wrong there are

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good sides the points on on both sides

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and bad sides on both points and that's

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kind of my perspective on it so I'll

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just get it a little bit deep into that

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so basically I I grew up with kind of

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neutral it's and I'm loving like I'm

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just essentially you could say it let's

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just keep that that I'm a I'm a

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foreigner basically so I don't have any

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direct ties to the US or to al-qaeda

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whoever was supposed to be involved I'm

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just a neutral third party so I was

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pretty much as exposed to 9/11 as a

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child through the media word of mouth

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you know movies articles whatever people

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would say so I never really gave it much

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of a second thought I kind of just went

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with the official narrative as it was

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and then you know as I started getting a

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you know started to become a little bit

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more of a topic to talk about you know

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classes having a little debates with

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your friends just talking about things

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that are of concern and you hear you can

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actually start to find out a little bit

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more that you maybe didn't know so I was

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still under the impression for a while

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that you know everything's fine the

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official story that we live we live kind

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of in a and I think you don't you

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probably agree with this to that most

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people are pretty ignorant of some of

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the realities of the world in terms of

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political economic statuses I just want

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to know if you would agree of that at

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least on a very vague level yeah I'd say

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so because I think most people are you

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know they don't really follow follow

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Foreign Affairs very much then the most

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people generally just interested in the

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things around them and a lot of people

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don't even watch the news so yeah

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certainly I would say most people are

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ignorant of world affairs and I wouldn't

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like to call use the term ignorant in a

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you know that pejorative way though it's

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kind of like just don't follow it I'm

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not interested I would like to make the

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distinction that it's not willful

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ignorance it's more just the world is

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just so overly saturated with so many

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different topics that it isn't

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I wouldn't expect every single person to

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focus on just one thing you know like

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obviously there's going to be a few

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people to focus on a few things like you

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and me here and all the people who focus

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on other things that are probably more

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important to them and for the field feel

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that they're in oh he just so happens

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that you know because I'm involved in

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politics and journalism it happens to be

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such a big political event right

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something that spurred things like the

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Patriot Act the countless wars that have

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that stuff so to me it does signify a

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big historical event that perhaps

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there is my point of view and I would I

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well although I'm not gonna speak for

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anyone else just myself that there there

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is some clarification so neither not

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about 9/11 there is still some mystery

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and some some things that haven't been

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answered on it and mistakes were made

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essentially that we don't have the

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complete story and that's pretty much my

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stance ya know and that's fair enough I

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mean how other people would argue

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even just at the very simplest level

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something I talk about is like was there

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incompetence that was covered up during

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conventional official story you know

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those things like you know Jets been

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sent in the wrong direction things like

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that yet that there are obviously

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questions about you know 911 that remain

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unanswered to this day like we don't

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hijackers for example if you know just

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assuming the official story is correct

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know exactly what happened in the planes

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inter but you're focusing on one do you

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answers to I think that's a it's a

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reasonable statement not necessarily

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that we could get answers to but perhaps

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some some answers that we might have

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even been misled on and possibly not

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answers that not questions that we could

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answer but perhaps clarified if you

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understand what I mean at least shed

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cards on the table here like would you

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say describe yourself as someone who you

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demolition or you suspect he might be a

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controlled demolition like see the

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collapses of willing scientists have no

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suspect so yeah basically my stance is

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not that I suspect it was a controlled

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demolition necessarily it's just that

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some of the evidence and even looking at

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the buildings might indicate that for me

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do one of our main contentions was

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control demolition refusing to test for

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explosives when there were multiple

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onset of collapse and policemen

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people the way people describe the

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explosions you know they they heard big

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booms or they heard a series of

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explosions and it's like it's just in a

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terrorist attack it just seems odd to me

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that explosives wouldn't be tested for I

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demolition scenario it doesn't

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necessarily mean inside job it could

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supposed terrorists who are at the

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suspects and even in that scenario I

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tested for because that could indicate a

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much possibly larger plan that they were

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involved with with because ultimately

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al-qaeda and see those facts I'm not

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disputing for me just how the buildings

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came down mainly the science behind this

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report means a lot of it is just it's

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just questionable yeah you know I've

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heard that that a lot

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I read the NIST report quite extensively

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and looked at the science and from from

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my perspective it seems okay and I think

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that really gets me about you know this

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idea that there might be explosives and

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I think that most people who aren't

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really familiar with the topic that yet

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the the fact is the a plane flew into

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the building into each building and

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created this giant hole in it and then

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they were had this raging fire for like

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half or whatever it was for each one and

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it seems unnecessary to have any other

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mechanism there it was seen just that

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just the fact that the planes the the

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planes flew into the building themselves

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why isn't that enough in your opinion to

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explain the collapse of the buildings

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well firstly it was the fact of eight

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asymmetric damage causing symmetric

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collapse but not just that the Empire

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York had previously been hit by a plane

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yes I know that it isn't the same size

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of a plane

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it wasn't traveling at the same speed it

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wasn't carrying as much fuel I

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understand all of that however I do not

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think that an impactful plane that

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causes asymmetric damage would

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necessarily cause significant damage to

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make the building collapse the way that

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it did in near freefall speeds when the

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Empire State sustained minimal fire fire

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damage and practically known the floors

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had collapsed or given way structurally

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and that's still that's still a large

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object colliding with the building high

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up on its a structural point I must say

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I'm kind of surprised you bring up that

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as an example because you know most

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people it seems like a overly simplistic

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example because the Empire State

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Building is such a different building to

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the previous which of the World Trade

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Center just from like you say from a

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simplistic comparison it is just it is

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you know it is odd especially when you

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look and you see okay a building has

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been hit with a plane before it hasn't

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come down yeah and then you see the ODE

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nest didn't test for explosives despite

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a good reason for them to have tested

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for them in a terrorist attack and then

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you also see that it is the first time

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that fires have brought down skyscrapers

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three times in one day and the and this

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came up with a whole new type of fire

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induce progressive collapse news ahead

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claps I think that's that's kind a bit

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of a misleading thing saying that it

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came out came up with a new thing it was

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up you know not that they came up with

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one that they said they had shown for

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the first time and I think I'm almost

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directly quoting Shyam sunder here he

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said that they have shown successful

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youth for the first time that fire can

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induce a progressive collapse so it was

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it was the first time that they had seen

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that that that type of progressive

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collapse successfully happened in the

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building and that the first time they

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were able to record and prove it through

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their science so to me it just odd that

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they would find a new type of collapse

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rather than

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look at alternatives for search for that

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kind of collapse of a building that is

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already known mission the game with the

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building seven you know there were very

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dramatic and unique circumstances there

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already like World Trade Center one

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collapsed you know right next building

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seven and created significant damage and

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lots of fires in in World Trade Center

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seven and then they weren't able to

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fight the fire because you know they

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yeah I think first of all they had

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problems with water then they got water

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and then eventually it was just decided

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it was too dangerous for the

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firefighters to stay in the building so

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they just kind of let it burnt and of

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course they had lots of other things to

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do that day because it was you know this

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huge disaster area so it doesn't seem

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it's not like just an ordinary you know

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building catching fire and then

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collapsing it was the extraordinary

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circumstances

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so the fact that there was an

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extraordinary outcome to me doesn't seem

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you know that unexpected you expect

355
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weird things to happen like when you fly

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a 767 into a hundred and thirteen storey

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building you you you don't know what's

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going to happen because it's not you

359
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know despite the the Empire State

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Building thing this really hasn't

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happened before

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the World Trade Center was a unique

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construction very very different so

364
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you've got something that's not happened

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before and then something happens and

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you say oh that's never happened before

367
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you expect things that haven't happened

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before to happen on that day because it

369
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was an extraordinary day and I agreed

370
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that it was an extraordinary day

371
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extraordinary said if there are

372
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circumstances as you said the with the

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water situation actually I'm aware that

374
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the the water mains were burst

375
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underneath the buildings from from what

376
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I understand can you correct me from

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Roland yeah I think there was some

378
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damage when World Trade Center one

379
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collapsed which that was you know the

380
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second buildings it collapse and there

381
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was it was right next to building seven

382
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he was those one building separating

383
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them but it was essentially you know

384
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it rips like gouges in the south face of

385
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bullying 7 but I think they did set up

386
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water later I'm not sure I understand

387
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for some dispute about exactly the

388
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availability of water on that day but

389
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you know at some point eventually they

390
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abandoned the building and they weren't

391
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fighting the fires there's a video that

392
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was shot briefly before the collapse

393
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like about 20-30 minutes before they

394
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collapse and you see the fires raging

395
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all the way around the building and thus

396
00:16:02,750 --> 00:16:00,810
there's no no firefighters near it so

397
00:16:04,370 --> 00:16:02,760
they definitely just basically let it go

398
00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:04,380
now of course the unit they said that

399
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they did that youth this interview is

400
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with firefighters who said that they

401
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thought the building was going to

402
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collapse and so they they moved out and

403
00:16:16,370 --> 00:16:14,600
then there's the the famous quote from

404
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what's-his-name the owner of the birth

405
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of the building I can't remember his

406
00:16:24,860 --> 00:16:23,070
name now Larry's yeah yeah he he said

407
00:16:26,510 --> 00:16:24,870
that you know the fireman said that it

408
00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:26,520
was too dangerous and so they were gonna

409
00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:29,010
pull it and people yeah say that pull it

410
00:16:32,570 --> 00:16:30,930
meant demolish it but really it just

411
00:16:36,190 --> 00:16:32,580
meant he's gonna pull the firefighters

412
00:16:39,020 --> 00:16:36,200
out pull the operation yeah cancel it

413
00:16:41,180 --> 00:16:39,030
I've seen that I don't to see that that

414
00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:41,190
to me is and convincing evidence in

415
00:16:47,180 --> 00:16:44,010
support of my argument because that's

416
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just semantics essentially and you can

417
00:16:51,140 --> 00:16:49,320
you can speculate on what they meant

418
00:16:53,210 --> 00:16:51,150
with that term however it's not hard

419
00:16:55,610 --> 00:16:53,220
evidence is not hard scientific evidence

420
00:16:57,650 --> 00:16:55,620
and I'd rather not focus on speculation

421
00:17:00,320 --> 00:16:57,660
like that with what people said in

422
00:17:00,980 --> 00:17:00,330
certain situations and I understand that

423
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I understand that

424
00:17:08,210 --> 00:17:06,230
at the pool it was a bad day they were

425
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concerned that conditions in the

426
00:17:13,010 --> 00:17:09,750
building were not safe for them to enter

427
00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:13,020
I'm aware of that however I'm just for

428
00:17:19,550 --> 00:17:16,770
me with one of the problems with one of

429
00:17:21,679 --> 00:17:19,560
the problems with fires in World Trade

430
00:17:24,250 --> 00:17:21,689
Center seven is that it's not evident to

431
00:17:29,660 --> 00:17:24,260
me that the fires were really as as

432
00:17:31,550 --> 00:17:29,670
raging as they claim to be finest and by

433
00:17:34,340 --> 00:17:31,560
people who say that the buildings came

434
00:17:36,500 --> 00:17:34,350
down by fire because as I've watched

435
00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:36,510
videos of the fires and did not look as

436
00:17:43,060 --> 00:17:39,810
intense as as far as say buildings that

437
00:17:45,010 --> 00:17:43,070
you know basic video if you look up like

438
00:17:47,740 --> 00:17:45,020
World Trade Center seven versus other

439
00:17:49,230 --> 00:17:47,750
skies people fire buildings and you'll

440
00:17:52,810 --> 00:17:49,240
see that there's been much worse

441
00:17:56,050 --> 00:17:52,820
building fires and those structures are

442
00:17:57,940 --> 00:17:56,060
still light if not completely standing

443
00:18:00,730 --> 00:17:57,950
at least mainly standing in terms of the

444
00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:00,740
structure not completely reduced to the

445
00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:04,010
rubble in their own footprint and and

446
00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:05,170
back to what you said about

447
00:18:11,410 --> 00:18:08,090
extraordinary circumstances an

448
00:18:14,410 --> 00:18:11,420
extraordinary day I mean that that is a

449
00:18:18,430 --> 00:18:14,420
bit of a loose generalization in my

450
00:18:19,900 --> 00:18:18,440
opinion because extraordinary events

451
00:18:22,390 --> 00:18:19,910
that occur out of extraordinary

452
00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:22,400
circumstances could be a range of things

453
00:18:30,130 --> 00:18:26,570
and I've to me just extremely it

454
00:18:32,710 --> 00:18:30,140
it's much too extraordinary borderline

455
00:18:34,900 --> 00:18:32,720
miraculous for the three buildings that

456
00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:34,910
date off all collapsed in a similar

457
00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:39,530
fashion of asymmetrical damage and so

458
00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:41,210
all of them collapse in similar manner

459
00:18:46,540 --> 00:18:44,240
due to that despite the fact that the

460
00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:46,550
damage to these buildings was different

461
00:18:50,530 --> 00:18:49,370
each case how are you saying though how

462
00:18:52,690 --> 00:18:50,540
are you saying that they're similar

463
00:18:54,820 --> 00:18:52,700
though like the World Trade Center tower

464
00:18:57,700 --> 00:18:54,830
collapses was nothing at all like the

465
00:19:00,010 --> 00:18:57,710
building 7 collapse will Trade Center

466
00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:00,020
towers like I have a model of the World

467
00:19:04,270 --> 00:19:01,310
Trade Center here they started

468
00:19:06,370 --> 00:19:04,280
collapsing from the top and if this this

469
00:19:08,830 --> 00:19:06,380
light this chunk of the top of the

470
00:19:09,220 --> 00:19:08,840
building kind of crushed the bottom of

471
00:19:11,050 --> 00:19:09,230
the building

472
00:19:14,470 --> 00:19:11,060
i crush exactly but it course

473
00:19:16,390 --> 00:19:14,480
disintegrates and this building well

474
00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:16,400
that just went straight and that's an

475
00:19:22,780 --> 00:19:19,370
issue with with with Newton's laws

476
00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:22,790
motion actually the fact that the top of

477
00:19:27,970 --> 00:19:25,120
the building can crush the bottom and

478
00:19:29,050 --> 00:19:27,980
essentially disintegrated because as we

479
00:19:31,150 --> 00:19:29,060
know from Newton's third law of motion

480
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:31,160
every force creates an opposite and

481
00:19:36,100 --> 00:19:33,530
equal reaction if the top parts of the

482
00:19:39,340 --> 00:19:36,110
building are falling they they will

483
00:19:40,660 --> 00:19:39,350
equally saw as each floor crushes the

484
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floor that it comes into contact with

485
00:19:47,170 --> 00:19:43,310
they will both equally destroy each

486
00:19:49,750 --> 00:19:47,180
other for the same amount of energy so

487
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:49,760
say say at the top you have those 15

488
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floors they will and given for gravity

489
00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:54,890
and the additional kinetic energy

490
00:19:56,899 --> 00:19:56,330
gravitational potential energy that they

491
00:19:58,849 --> 00:19:56,909
receive

492
00:20:01,099 --> 00:19:58,859
falling you'll probably take out more

493
00:20:02,539 --> 00:20:01,109
than 15 floors that can't be exact here

494
00:20:04,609 --> 00:20:02,549
because I don't have the right numbers

495
00:20:06,169 --> 00:20:04,619
and all that with me but I'm just going

496
00:20:10,279 --> 00:20:06,179
to ask to me and say it'll take out 15

497
00:20:11,599 --> 00:20:10,289
plus so only be able to take out 15 plus

498
00:20:14,779 --> 00:20:11,609
the amount of energy that is stored

499
00:20:18,229 --> 00:20:14,789
within those top 15 floors and only take

500
00:20:20,450 --> 00:20:18,239
out 15 us below it before the before the

501
00:20:22,219 --> 00:20:20,460
your machine comes to a halt because

502
00:20:24,289 --> 00:20:22,229
that's just the laws of conservation of

503
00:20:26,629 --> 00:20:24,299
momentum oh yeah what if it was as

504
00:20:28,820 --> 00:20:26,639
simple as that but have you ever heard

505
00:20:31,489 --> 00:20:28,830
like the explanation that I give for how

506
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:31,499
the building's collapse however the

507
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:36,320
World Trade Center towers collapse so

508
00:20:41,599 --> 00:20:39,690
you familiar with the way you know the

509
00:20:43,279 --> 00:20:41,609
World Trade Center towers say let's just

510
00:20:46,219 --> 00:20:43,289
go with that what did we see - for

511
00:20:49,779 --> 00:20:46,229
example there are tube in a tube design

512
00:20:52,430 --> 00:20:49,789
you're familiar with that description

513
00:20:54,979 --> 00:20:52,440
and though they have a core the tube in

514
00:21:00,019 --> 00:20:54,989
the tube so you have the the vertical

515
00:21:02,299 --> 00:21:00,029
tube attached to a yeah it refers to

516
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:02,309
like the outside of the building is say

517
00:21:07,580 --> 00:21:05,970
one tube and then the core of the

518
00:21:10,629 --> 00:21:07,590
building where all the elevators and the

519
00:21:14,450 --> 00:21:10,639
steps are and the another mechanical

520
00:21:17,389 --> 00:21:14,460
rooms are that is another tube it's like

521
00:21:21,139 --> 00:21:17,399
it's more like almost like a central

522
00:21:25,249 --> 00:21:21,149
core and then the building is around

523
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:25,259
that central core so that's the

524
00:21:28,609 --> 00:21:26,369
structure of the building is actually

525
00:21:30,589 --> 00:21:28,619
very very different to conventional

526
00:21:32,509 --> 00:21:30,599
buildings like the Empire State Building

527
00:21:34,669 --> 00:21:32,519
for example which is much older building

528
00:21:37,450 --> 00:21:34,679
because it has these very very long

529
00:21:40,129 --> 00:21:37,460
floors very opens lots of open space

530
00:21:43,369 --> 00:21:40,139
because there's no columns anywhere

531
00:21:46,369 --> 00:21:43,379
between the core of the building and the

532
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:46,379
outside so you've got this wide open

533
00:21:51,469 --> 00:21:50,159
wide open floors which is a very

534
00:21:52,940 --> 00:21:51,479
distinctive feature of the building when

535
00:21:54,499 --> 00:21:52,950
it was built everyone remarked upon it

536
00:21:55,489 --> 00:21:54,509
how kind of unique it wasn't you know

537
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:55,499
the buildings have done similar things

538
00:22:01,609 --> 00:21:58,799
since but this is a understanding this

539
00:22:03,139 --> 00:22:01,619
layout is vital to understanding why it

540
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:03,149
collapsed the way it did and why it

541
00:22:09,649 --> 00:22:05,129
isn't actually violating Newton's laws

542
00:22:10,580 --> 00:22:09,659
of motion now the floors are made up of

543
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:10,590
these

544
00:22:16,430 --> 00:22:14,400
basically trusses metal trusses with

545
00:22:18,410 --> 00:22:16,440
corrugated metal on top of them and then

546
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:18,420
I think a layer of like three or six

547
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:21,210
inches of concrete lightweight concrete

548
00:22:26,270 --> 00:22:24,090
on top of that and so that's that goes

549
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:26,280
from the core of the building to the

550
00:22:31,700 --> 00:22:29,280
outside of the building now the outside

551
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:31,710
of the building is only attached to the

552
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:34,170
core via these trusses via these floor

553
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:37,770
panels and some beams at the corners

554
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:39,090
which are just basically on the edges of

555
00:22:45,460 --> 00:22:42,690
these trusses so if something fell from

556
00:22:47,930 --> 00:22:45,470
above and stripped away the floors

557
00:22:50,510 --> 00:22:47,940
brought them between the core and the

558
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:50,520
outside wall then the outside wall is no

559
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:52,410
longer supported it's no longer held in

560
00:22:59,060 --> 00:22:56,010
it goes from being a column that is

561
00:23:02,090 --> 00:22:59,070
supported at every 13 feet or whatever

562
00:23:04,010 --> 00:23:02,100
to being a slender column which isn't

563
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:04,020
supported at all it just becomes this

564
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:06,930
this floppy skin and even if there was

565
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:08,250
nothing else going on it wouldn't be

566
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:10,770
able to stand by itself because it's not

567
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:12,450
supported from the inside so it would

568
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,250
just it would collapse but it's also got

569
00:23:20,420 --> 00:23:16,320
this this huge amount of mass falling

570
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:20,430
down on it now you talk about the top of

571
00:23:24,050 --> 00:23:22,050
the building kind of being balanced by

572
00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:24,060
the damage it does to the bottom of the

573
00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:26,310
building well you got to think of it in

574
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:28,710
terms of two things there's the columns

575
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:30,930
and then there's the floors which are

576
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:32,730
the floor panels so the weight of the

577
00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:34,880
building is held by the columns

578
00:23:38,900 --> 00:23:37,020
specifically the core columns but also

579
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,910
the the perimeter columns as well that

580
00:23:42,290 --> 00:23:40,080
there's what that's what's holding the

581
00:23:45,650 --> 00:23:42,300
building up the floors themselves the

582
00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:45,660
floor panels are just kind of attached

583
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:49,110
to the core and the outside wall so they

584
00:23:53,180 --> 00:23:52,050
the floor that you walk around when

585
00:23:54,410 --> 00:23:53,190
you're inside the building that's not

586
00:23:55,820 --> 00:23:54,420
holding up the building that's just

587
00:23:58,250 --> 00:23:55,830
something that's being held up by the

588
00:24:01,040 --> 00:23:58,260
columns and is also bracing the

589
00:24:02,420 --> 00:24:01,050
connecting the columns one to another so

590
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:02,430
if something were to fall and strip away

591
00:24:06,350 --> 00:24:05,250
that floor it wouldn't have to damage

592
00:24:08,060 --> 00:24:06,360
the columns at all

593
00:24:09,140 --> 00:24:08,070
it will just go through that floor and

594
00:24:10,340 --> 00:24:09,150
that would fall down and it was stripped

595
00:24:11,900 --> 00:24:10,350
away the next floor and it's just where

596
00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:11,910
the next floor and when is it stripped

597
00:24:16,610 --> 00:24:14,310
away enough floors you would see the

598
00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:16,620
remaining columns wouldn't have any

599
00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:18,600
lateral support so a combination of that

600
00:24:23,370 --> 00:24:21,510
lack of lateral support and all the sium

601
00:24:26,580 --> 00:24:23,380
debris falling everything

602
00:24:28,110 --> 00:24:26,590
would cause it to collapse and this is

603
00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:28,120
something you can actually see in the

604
00:24:34,409 --> 00:24:32,289
collapse pictures is that in after the

605
00:24:36,060 --> 00:24:34,419
building's after the collapse wave has

606
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:36,070
reached the ground about half of the

607
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:37,840
core is actually still standing for a

608
00:24:41,490 --> 00:24:40,090
few seconds because the floors have been

609
00:24:43,980 --> 00:24:41,500
stripped away and you can see the weight

610
00:24:46,169 --> 00:24:43,990
peels away from the outside the outside

611
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:46,179
perimeter it's not that it's destroying

612
00:24:51,630 --> 00:24:49,090
the core it's not like crushing these

613
00:24:53,370 --> 00:24:51,640
these core columns it's the huge mess of

614
00:24:55,710 --> 00:24:53,380
the building on top which is stripping

615
00:24:57,060 --> 00:24:55,720
the floors away from the core and

616
00:24:58,980 --> 00:24:57,070
stripping them away from the outside

617
00:25:01,529 --> 00:24:58,990
walls and that's what actually causes

618
00:25:03,180 --> 00:25:01,539
the collapse and I thought it made sense

619
00:25:05,820 --> 00:25:03,190
to you because it was about rambling on

620
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:05,830
a bit but that's that's how I explained

621
00:25:12,659 --> 00:25:08,730
why it doesn't break the laws of physics

622
00:25:14,460 --> 00:25:12,669
okay I understand that now thank you for

623
00:25:17,250 --> 00:25:14,470
refreshing me because I actually had

624
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:17,260
seen this this explanation and it's good

625
00:25:25,620 --> 00:25:19,570
to know exactly what it is I'm up

626
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:25,630
against basically so it even then as you

627
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:28,000
say these floors are falling the the

628
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:29,770
building's still fell with a new

629
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:32,650
freefall acceleration which has even

630
00:25:38,450 --> 00:25:35,650
Shyam sunder stated for freefall to

631
00:25:41,580 --> 00:25:38,460
occur you'd have to tell me in those no

632
00:25:42,810 --> 00:25:41,590
objects below the falling object that

633
00:25:45,570 --> 00:25:42,820
means there's no resistance underneath

634
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:45,580
it and the building did fall through the

635
00:25:50,190 --> 00:25:48,400
path of it did not fall through the path

636
00:25:54,029 --> 00:25:50,200
of least resistance it fell into itself

637
00:25:57,450 --> 00:25:54,039
into its own internal mass and as each

638
00:26:00,450 --> 00:25:57,460
floor coupled on to the next floor there

639
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:00,460
was no observable deceleration as you

640
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:03,039
would observe when two objects collide

641
00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:05,919
and impact it was almost as if each

642
00:26:13,850 --> 00:26:11,100
successive floor was already weakened or

643
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:13,860
taken out or however you want to put it

644
00:26:18,450 --> 00:26:16,570
before the previous floor had made

645
00:26:22,649 --> 00:26:18,460
contact with it they all just fell

646
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:22,659
synchronously let's all notice some more

647
00:26:27,690 --> 00:26:24,850
deceleration which and that is also

648
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:27,700
pardon second law which is force equals

649
00:26:31,490 --> 00:26:29,770
mass times acceleration which is where

650
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:31,500
when you when you have the mass

651
00:26:36,539 --> 00:26:35,440
accelerating and and they these opposing

652
00:26:39,089 --> 00:26:36,549
forces

653
00:26:40,709 --> 00:26:39,099
we'll knock now enact Newton's third law

654
00:26:45,479 --> 00:26:40,719
which is that they destroy each other

655
00:26:47,339 --> 00:26:45,489
because of mass and acceleration see not

656
00:26:49,499 --> 00:26:47,349
only what not only would the floors

657
00:26:51,959 --> 00:26:49,509
destroy each other upon contact you

658
00:26:54,719 --> 00:26:51,969
would also notice a visible deceleration

659
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:54,729
which would not which which would not

660
00:27:00,389 --> 00:26:57,279
translate into a near freefall class per

661
00:27:01,889 --> 00:27:00,399
building because that near freefall

662
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:01,899
collapse at least from what I've seen

663
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:05,200
has only been demonstrated Lee done it's

664
00:27:09,749 --> 00:27:07,330
through control demolition which is why

665
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,759
it is a good hypotheses I'm not saying

666
00:27:13,229 --> 00:27:11,679
that it's for sure I understand it's a

667
00:27:15,989 --> 00:27:13,239
hypotheses they should have not ruled

668
00:27:17,879 --> 00:27:15,999
out so easily well you know that if you

669
00:27:19,769 --> 00:27:17,889
think it's similar to controlled

670
00:27:21,479 --> 00:27:19,779
demolition surely an argument would also

671
00:27:23,069 --> 00:27:21,489
be that it looks nothing at all like a

672
00:27:24,779 --> 00:27:23,079
controlled demolition like controlled

673
00:27:26,129 --> 00:27:24,789
demolitions they blow away the columns

674
00:27:27,930 --> 00:27:26,139
at the bottom of the building and they

675
00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:27,940
use the weight of the building to

676
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,089
destroy itself they don't plan

677
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:33,279
explosives when a person looks just like

678
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:36,399
he does yeah but then then you are you

679
00:27:42,199 --> 00:27:39,369
arguing that WTC 7 is a controlled

680
00:27:44,369 --> 00:27:42,209
demolition that the other ones are not

681
00:27:45,659 --> 00:27:44,379
and you have different types of

682
00:27:47,609 --> 00:27:45,669
controlled demolitions I mean you have

683
00:27:48,989 --> 00:27:47,619
gravity driven controlled demolitions

684
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,999
where they split the building from half

685
00:27:51,779 --> 00:27:50,559
to see what it looks like when you half

686
00:27:54,269 --> 00:27:51,789
the building falling until the other

687
00:27:55,739 --> 00:27:54,279
half to demonstrate use the laws of

688
00:27:57,930 --> 00:27:55,749
motion how you have equal masses

689
00:27:59,729 --> 00:27:57,940
cancelling out each other and destroying

690
00:28:01,560 --> 00:27:59,739
each other equally so you have different

691
00:28:03,989 --> 00:28:01,570
types of gravity off for control

692
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:03,999
demolitions I'm not saying that they

693
00:28:07,259 --> 00:28:06,369
could have I mean if they were like how

694
00:28:08,909 --> 00:28:07,269
do you know they couldn't have been

695
00:28:11,129 --> 00:28:08,919
different types of control demolitions

696
00:28:12,029 --> 00:28:11,139
perhaps different actually used that's

697
00:28:14,339 --> 00:28:12,039
what I'm saying like different

698
00:28:16,739 --> 00:28:14,349
hypotheses that that I passed you

699
00:28:18,779 --> 00:28:16,749
shouldn't have been so easily excluded

700
00:28:20,609 --> 00:28:18,789
when there are still ad hoc alternatives

701
00:28:22,229 --> 00:28:20,619
you could come up to just the one all

702
00:28:24,209 --> 00:28:22,239
that malicious scenario I think you need

703
00:28:25,769 --> 00:28:24,219
to be honest it they didn't do it

704
00:28:27,569 --> 00:28:25,779
because it seemed like such a ridiculous

705
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,579
idea because it was it was fairly

706
00:28:31,229 --> 00:28:29,679
obvious that the planes have flown into

707
00:28:33,869 --> 00:28:31,239
the buildings and there was a big fire

708
00:28:35,969 --> 00:28:33,879
and that once the collapse had started

709
00:28:38,879 --> 00:28:35,979
there was no way of stopping it and I

710
00:28:41,099 --> 00:28:38,889
think that's part of the problem is they

711
00:28:42,899 --> 00:28:41,109
didn't actually model the full collapse

712
00:28:44,399 --> 00:28:42,909
progression because they didn't think it

713
00:28:46,259 --> 00:28:44,409
was necessary because obviously was

714
00:28:48,209 --> 00:28:46,269
going to fall so you don't get the

715
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:48,219
detail of why it was so fast you know

716
00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:49,650
what I was just talking about there

717
00:28:53,630 --> 00:28:51,480
things falling through the floors rather

718
00:28:56,060 --> 00:28:53,640
than falling through the columns is the

719
00:29:00,110 --> 00:28:56,070
reason why it fell at I think you know

720
00:29:01,190 --> 00:29:00,120
like about what is 80% of gravity or

721
00:29:03,170 --> 00:29:01,200
something like that something that

722
00:29:07,220 --> 00:29:03,180
something fairly close to freefall but

723
00:29:09,650 --> 00:29:07,230
not actually freefall it wasn't exactly

724
00:29:12,050 --> 00:29:09,660
fall there was some resistance but it

725
00:29:14,540 --> 00:29:12,060
was negligible enough to be within a

726
00:29:16,370 --> 00:29:14,550
good parameter of freefall that is not

727
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:16,380
consistent with with the natural

728
00:29:20,690 --> 00:29:18,690
collapse of buildings due to fire or any

729
00:29:22,460 --> 00:29:20,700
other kind of natural structural

730
00:29:23,780 --> 00:29:22,470
weakling I think that you know when

731
00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:23,790
people say that it's you know not

732
00:29:26,860 --> 00:29:25,020
consistent with it they're kind of

733
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:26,870
thinking about this this

734
00:29:31,370 --> 00:29:29,090
oversimplification of it that is just

735
00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:31,380
there's a top part there's a bottom part

736
00:29:36,410 --> 00:29:34,200
and the top part crushes the bottom part

737
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:36,420
equally that's not what happening it's

738
00:29:40,490 --> 00:29:38,640
almost almost like the building is and

739
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:40,500
this is gonna sound silly like a giant

740
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:42,090
zipper and you're pulling down the

741
00:29:44,450 --> 00:29:43,410
zipper it takes a little bit of force to

742
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:44,460
pull the zipper down and then the

743
00:29:48,350 --> 00:29:46,290
building falls apart because you've got

744
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:48,360
the outside of the building connect you

745
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:50,340
to the inside of the building via these

746
00:29:55,250 --> 00:29:52,710
floors and the floors themselves are

747
00:29:56,810 --> 00:29:55,260
really weak structurally they're not

748
00:29:59,090 --> 00:29:56,820
designed to carry a structural load

749
00:30:00,680 --> 00:29:59,100
they're designed to carry people in an

750
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:00,690
office so they carried their own weight

751
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:03,330
and then they carry the the live load

752
00:30:07,670 --> 00:30:05,610
which is the people moving around and if

753
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:07,680
any equipments on it and they basically

754
00:30:13,610 --> 00:30:11,610
they have excuse me they have like a

755
00:30:18,820 --> 00:30:13,620
safety margin I think of six times their

756
00:30:21,230 --> 00:30:18,830
own weight being just laid on top of it

757
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:21,240
so if you have something that can only

758
00:30:26,750 --> 00:30:24,410
just support six times its own weight on

759
00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:26,760
top of it but then you drop something

760
00:30:32,690 --> 00:30:31,020
from 12 feet above it then he doesn't

761
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:32,700
seem at all surprising that that floor

762
00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:35,100
would give way the columns don't give

763
00:30:38,510 --> 00:30:37,080
way the floor just gets stripped away

764
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:38,520
from the columns and now you've got two

765
00:30:42,050 --> 00:30:39,840
floors falling down and they strip away

766
00:30:43,940 --> 00:30:42,060
other floors and they're not gonna be

767
00:30:45,620 --> 00:30:43,950
floors they're not going to be like you

768
00:30:47,060 --> 00:30:45,630
know these neat slabs falling down but

769
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:47,070
it's gonna break up it's gonna be this

770
00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:48,480
huge amount of debris is to be like

771
00:30:54,260 --> 00:30:51,480
dumping a bag of rocks they say somebody

772
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:54,270
took her no it's like yeah it's somebody

773
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:56,010
dropped an avalanche on your house you

774
00:31:00,080 --> 00:30:57,690
wouldn't be surprised if your house got

775
00:31:01,410 --> 00:31:00,090
destroyed even though it's only a bunch

776
00:31:02,550 --> 00:31:01,420
of snowflakes

777
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:02,560
it doesn't have to be a solid object

778
00:31:08,670 --> 00:31:04,960
hitting something to actually do a lot

779
00:31:10,350 --> 00:31:08,680
of damage so if you think jaw-dropping a

780
00:31:11,850 --> 00:31:10,360
huge bag of rocks on top of the World

781
00:31:13,860 --> 00:31:11,860
Trade Center would do this thing it

782
00:31:15,660 --> 00:31:13,870
would strip away these floors the floors

783
00:31:25,170 --> 00:31:15,670
will be stripped from the walls and then

784
00:31:28,260 --> 00:31:25,180
the walls would collapse I mean that is

785
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:28,270
a fairly simplistic or simplistic

786
00:31:33,420 --> 00:31:31,360
explanation of itself and just one thing

787
00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:33,430
that I have to point out is that you do

788
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:35,710
keep avoiding the the fact that NIST

789
00:31:40,620 --> 00:31:38,110
hasn't tested or refused to test for

790
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:40,630
explosives and there's no I mean the

791
00:31:45,260 --> 00:31:43,510
most youth responds to that is literally

792
00:31:48,090 --> 00:31:45,270
just say that it's a ridiculous

793
00:31:49,050 --> 00:31:48,100
hypotheses and I said they would think

794
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:49,060
is ridiculous

795
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:51,310
because they understand why the building

796
00:31:57,930 --> 00:31:56,890
collapsed and witnessed like I'm

797
00:32:00,450 --> 00:31:57,940
surprised I haven't bought this up

798
00:32:01,860 --> 00:32:00,460
witness one of the things that just

799
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:01,870
sticks out to me is that this is a

800
00:32:07,980 --> 00:32:06,010
government agency why would they tasked

801
00:32:10,380 --> 00:32:07,990
to investigate the collapse of the

802
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:10,390
buildings when there was so they had

803
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:12,640
releases reports can you remind me when

804
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:14,050
exactly they released their report and

805
00:32:19,410 --> 00:32:14,770
when they were commissioned to

806
00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:19,420
investigate I think it was 2008 so it's

807
00:32:23,970 --> 00:32:22,150
the start of 2006 and they finished 2008

808
00:32:32,190 --> 00:32:23,980
I'm just doing off the top of my head

809
00:32:34,740 --> 00:32:32,200
here let me just check real quick but it

810
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:34,750
was around that ballpark so let's just

811
00:32:45,090 --> 00:32:43,620
it doesn't take away from the main point

812
00:32:48,660 --> 00:32:45,100
that I'm making is that but by that time

813
00:32:52,340 --> 00:32:48,670
that was already enough kind of doubt

814
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:52,350
within the American public by around

815
00:32:57,950 --> 00:32:55,450
2005-2006 that perhaps all the questions

816
00:33:00,210 --> 00:32:57,960
weren't being answered by 9/11 because

817
00:33:02,580 --> 00:33:00,220
World Trade Center 7 hadn't been

818
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:02,590
mentioned the Commission report because

819
00:33:07,380 --> 00:33:04,690
the Commission report was as we know by

820
00:33:09,330 --> 00:33:07,390
year the chairs of the Commission

821
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:09,340
themselves went on to write a book about

822
00:33:15,330 --> 00:33:11,650
it that it was set up to fail on the

823
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:15,340
funded conflict of interest or that

824
00:33:19,950 --> 00:33:17,710
I wasn't NIST that was the 9/11

825
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:19,960
Commission report the 9/11 Commission

826
00:33:25,769 --> 00:33:23,110
yes but so so then so you had the 9/11

827
00:33:30,210 --> 00:33:25,779
Commission of mentioning WTC 7 so NIST

828
00:33:33,239 --> 00:33:30,220
was a response to the outcry off of the

829
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:33,249
TC 7 not being looked into and so at a

830
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:35,049
time when the government was already

831
00:33:40,830 --> 00:33:38,159
kind of held in question by the public

832
00:33:43,889 --> 00:33:40,840
it's surprising that the government

833
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:43,899
would kind of hire themselves to

834
00:33:48,269 --> 00:33:46,240
investigate themselves it's like if

835
00:33:50,009 --> 00:33:48,279
someone is a suspect in a crime you

836
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:50,019
don't get the same Department to

837
00:33:54,180 --> 00:33:51,610
investigate themselves which is just

838
00:33:57,389 --> 00:33:54,190
that to me is a conflict of interest but

839
00:33:59,279 --> 00:33:57,399
I do think they were thinking if it in

840
00:34:00,749 --> 00:33:59,289
terms of investigating themselves they

841
00:34:04,289 --> 00:34:00,759
were just thinking of figuring out why

842
00:34:06,659 --> 00:34:04,299
the building collapsed yes yeah it is a

843
00:34:08,700 --> 00:34:06,669
government agency who is funded directly

844
00:34:10,940 --> 00:34:08,710
by the government right know this make

845
00:34:13,139 --> 00:34:10,950
like if a study like say you study

846
00:34:15,329 --> 00:34:13,149
innocent and you know this with the

847
00:34:17,849 --> 00:34:15,339
tobacco industry against Sarah Juana and

848
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,859
alcohol how they funded studies against

849
00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:19,599
their competitors so it's just the same

850
00:34:23,250 --> 00:34:21,369
way with this if they're being funded by

851
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:23,260
the government what inclination do they

852
00:34:28,290 --> 00:34:25,690
have to pursue hypotheses that might

853
00:34:28,589 --> 00:34:28,300
implicate the government yeah that's

854
00:34:32,579 --> 00:34:28,599
true

855
00:34:35,819 --> 00:34:32,589
that NIST did investigate the

856
00:34:37,980 --> 00:34:35,829
possibility of an explosion this was a

857
00:34:40,290 --> 00:34:37,990
section in the building where they tried

858
00:34:41,940 --> 00:34:40,300
to figure out like could the building

859
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:41,950
have been brought down by explosives and

860
00:34:46,829 --> 00:34:43,690
they yeah I think they even did a

861
00:34:48,419 --> 00:34:46,839
simulation with it this said in a press

862
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:48,429
conference that they did not test for

863
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:50,290
explosives didn't didn't toss very

864
00:34:54,450 --> 00:34:52,510
explosive yeah they didn't test for

865
00:34:58,559 --> 00:34:54,460
explosive residue but they did they did

866
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:58,569
test basically the the sound levels that

867
00:35:01,650 --> 00:34:59,680
would have been created by the

868
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:01,660
explosives and since there was no

869
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:07,119
audible explosions then they could you

870
00:35:12,510 --> 00:35:10,569
explain to me what their methodology for

871
00:35:14,730 --> 00:35:12,520
going about assessing the sound of

872
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:14,740
explosives on 9/11 was so not entirely

873
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:16,210
familiar with that yeah they they

874
00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:19,599
basically they they said that if there

875
00:35:22,530 --> 00:35:21,160
were explosives they would have to

876
00:35:23,849 --> 00:35:22,540
brought down this column because they

877
00:35:25,289 --> 00:35:23,859
didn't really up the order at which the

878
00:35:26,700 --> 00:35:25,299
building collapsed so they save column

879
00:35:29,130 --> 00:35:26,710
79

880
00:35:31,530 --> 00:35:29,140
would have had explosives at the bottom

881
00:35:33,930 --> 00:35:31,540
and so they said like what would it take

882
00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:33,940
to cut column 29 in a way that it would

883
00:35:38,430 --> 00:35:36,910
fail like suddenly along the way it did

884
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:38,440
and they came up with a certain amount

885
00:35:44,420 --> 00:35:40,690
of cutter charges and then they figured

886
00:35:46,830 --> 00:35:44,430
out what the the decibel level would be

887
00:35:50,820 --> 00:35:46,840
like half a mile away from the building

888
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:50,830
where there were lots of people and was

889
00:35:58,860 --> 00:35:57,130
just yeah they did no no obviously like

890
00:36:01,050 --> 00:35:58,870
there that the the excuse around that is

891
00:36:04,370 --> 00:36:01,060
the yeah they use quieter explosives or

892
00:36:06,510 --> 00:36:04,380
something like that but sir yeah they're

893
00:36:10,380 --> 00:36:06,520
you know to be honest I think that they

894
00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:10,390
were just giving it yeah I think they

895
00:36:15,020 --> 00:36:12,280
did more than I would have expected them

896
00:36:18,060 --> 00:36:15,030
to do by even giving people the the

897
00:36:21,630 --> 00:36:18,070
benefits of looking into explosives cos

898
00:36:24,570 --> 00:36:21,640
I think in with will Trade Center seven

899
00:36:26,190 --> 00:36:24,580
it does look like a controlled

900
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:26,200
demolition in terms of the visuals of

901
00:36:30,180 --> 00:36:28,210
the building coming down it really

902
00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:30,190
doesn't sound like one though so it

903
00:36:37,470 --> 00:36:31,600
seems very very different to your

904
00:36:40,250 --> 00:36:37,480
conventional controlled demolition well

905
00:36:42,660 --> 00:36:40,260
about going back to your point about

906
00:36:46,020 --> 00:36:42,670
that you think that they did more than

907
00:36:48,930 --> 00:36:46,030
they needed to I think that is an unfair

908
00:36:50,430 --> 00:36:48,940
statement to say considering that we did

909
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:50,440
just say that they did not test for

910
00:36:54,330 --> 00:36:52,960
explosive residue that they claimed that

911
00:36:56,460 --> 00:36:54,340
there was no reason to test for

912
00:37:00,360 --> 00:36:56,470
explosives because they had no evidence

913
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:00,370
that explosives were used they based on

914
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:02,650
more preconceived notion that they would

915
00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:05,050
not find any well no it's based on the

916
00:37:09,690 --> 00:37:06,910
fact that World Trade Center one I like

917
00:37:11,370 --> 00:37:09,700
very very tall skyscraper basically fell

918
00:37:14,430 --> 00:37:11,380
against the south side of the building

919
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,440
and set it on fire so now you positing

920
00:37:17,820 --> 00:37:16,720
that there's also explosives when you've

921
00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:17,830
got this perfectly reasonable

922
00:37:22,380 --> 00:37:19,390
explanation for why it fell in the first

923
00:37:23,790 --> 00:37:22,390
place you don't when the investigator

924
00:37:25,710 --> 00:37:23,800
did they didn't know exactly the

925
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:25,720
sequence of events and they still

926
00:37:29,220 --> 00:37:26,890
probably don't know exactly what the

927
00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:29,230
sequence of events was but the NuWave

928
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:31,270
fell they knew that a building fell on

929
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,250
top of it and that it was badly damaged

930
00:37:38,010 --> 00:37:35,200
and then it caught fire and then five

931
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:38,020
hours later it collapsed you know they

932
00:37:41,340 --> 00:37:39,610
didn't know the exact details and that's

933
00:37:43,460 --> 00:37:41,350
what the investigation was for so I

934
00:37:46,770 --> 00:37:43,470
think from their perspective

935
00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:46,780
testing one kind of specific explosive

936
00:37:52,050 --> 00:37:49,990
on a specific column in a specific

937
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:52,060
control manner that could obviously give

938
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:53,920
the result that would show that it

939
00:38:00,060 --> 00:37:57,370
wasn't explosives is that's not a that's

940
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:00,070
not a good test that they barely tested

941
00:38:07,290 --> 00:38:03,970
it it is eliminated under one type of

942
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:07,300
demolition like conventional controlled

943
00:38:13,980 --> 00:38:10,960
demolitions one off of several which is

944
00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:13,990
not a accurate or scientific that test

945
00:38:17,850 --> 00:38:15,190
at all in fact it's quite a non

946
00:38:20,940 --> 00:38:17,860
scientific method to tell when you test

947
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:20,950
for hypotheses - if I were to go in the

948
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,090
ocean and take a cup take a scoop of

949
00:38:30,750 --> 00:38:28,000
water look at it and say huh there must

950
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:30,760
be no whales in the ocean because I've

951
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:32,280
looked at that cup of water in my hand

952
00:38:36,690 --> 00:38:34,960
that's not that's not scientific testing

953
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:36,700
doesn't really seem like the same type

954
00:38:42,030 --> 00:38:38,370
of thing that anyway you're testing

955
00:38:43,950 --> 00:38:42,040
you're not it sort of is if you're only

956
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:43,960
testing for one type of explosive in a

957
00:38:49,290 --> 00:38:46,570
specific kind of environment you tested

958
00:38:51,330 --> 00:38:49,300
it for column seven - that I'm in the

959
00:38:53,220 --> 00:38:51,340
World Trade Center seven or the World

960
00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:53,230
Trade Center one or two I don't think

961
00:38:58,500 --> 00:38:55,800
that they were saying that there's zero

962
00:39:02,760 --> 00:38:58,510
possibility that explosives were used I

963
00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:02,770
think there's a clearly what Shyam

964
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:04,270
sunder site you said clearly that

965
00:39:08,730 --> 00:39:06,330
there's no possibility for evidence of

966
00:39:10,590 --> 00:39:08,740
explosives having been used and there's

967
00:39:11,850 --> 00:39:10,600
no need to test for them well I think

968
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:11,860
he's saying that there's a lack of

969
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:12,970
evidence for it

970
00:39:19,710 --> 00:39:17,680
it isn't saying that there's a lack of

971
00:39:23,370 --> 00:39:19,720
evidence it's willful ignorance of the

972
00:39:25,770 --> 00:39:23,380
evidence that you should but you you

973
00:39:28,170 --> 00:39:25,780
personally would you say are you already

974
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,180
convinced that there were explosions in

975
00:39:34,050 --> 00:39:30,240
World Trade Center seven even without

976
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:34,060
tests for residue no no I I just think

977
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:36,490
that it's ridiculous to say that there

978
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,770
isn't when you haven't even tested for

979
00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:40,480
them I think that there's a possibility

980
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:42,670
of it for sure I'm not I'm not entirely

981
00:39:46,410 --> 00:39:45,010
convinced but I just think that it's

982
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:46,420
it's not scientific and it's so

983
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:48,250
objective to be able to say it

984
00:39:53,370 --> 00:39:50,170
definitely wasn't that when you haven't

985
00:39:55,830 --> 00:39:53,380
even tested for it or is it a surety I

986
00:39:57,660 --> 00:39:55,840
just try something like a while

987
00:40:01,710 --> 00:39:57,670
you said like you didn't think the fires

988
00:40:03,780 --> 00:40:01,720
were very intense I've got a youtube

989
00:40:04,980 --> 00:40:03,790
video I don't know if you've seen but I

990
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:04,990
wonder if you could just look at it now

991
00:40:10,860 --> 00:40:06,970
or just pause the recording or like

992
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:10,870
waltz do the I'll edit it out and I

993
00:40:17,390 --> 00:40:13,930
could send this to year so I'm just

994
00:40:20,490 --> 00:40:17,400
going to send you the link and Skype

995
00:40:22,380 --> 00:40:20,500
it's only it's like two minutes long you

996
00:40:25,740 --> 00:40:22,390
could you could just look at it and see

997
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:25,750
just watch it real quick and see if it

998
00:40:47,970 --> 00:40:34,510
changes your opinion on hit play at the

999
00:41:39,150 --> 00:40:47,980
same time twelve seconds okay I'm seeing

1000
00:41:41,550 --> 00:41:39,160
windows with swirling smoke on the well

1001
00:41:43,770 --> 00:41:41,560
it's four floors by the looks of it in

1002
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:43,780
terms of you know this is this is

1003
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:46,210
actually quite late in the process what

1004
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:47,410
we're seeing there's a wider shot you

1005
00:41:51,390 --> 00:41:48,970
can see there's four floors worth of

1006
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,400
windows destroyed but there are two

1007
00:41:55,350 --> 00:41:53,440
floors are currently on fire now it's

1008
00:41:57,060 --> 00:41:55,360
zooming and you can see like the ceiling

1009
00:41:58,740 --> 00:41:57,070
is a second down that's probably just

1010
00:42:03,510 --> 00:41:58,750
the you know the false ceiling the

1011
00:42:06,510 --> 00:42:03,520
panels and stuff just just share one one

1012
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:06,520
minute 15 actually is around

1013
00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:07,890
I believe I

1014
00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:10,500
be wrong about this but I believe right

1015
00:42:16,549 --> 00:42:13,529
there one minute 15 seconds is one of

1016
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,559
this at the time or just before the

1017
00:42:20,930 --> 00:42:18,240
onset of collapse I believe perhaps

1018
00:42:22,609 --> 00:42:20,940
within 10 to 15 minutes maybe I could be

1019
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:22,619
wrong but apparently this was one of the

1020
00:42:28,549 --> 00:42:25,049
pieces of evidence that NIST uses as a

1021
00:42:30,380 --> 00:42:28,559
still to point out that fires are

1022
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,390
burning on certain floors where they

1023
00:42:35,450 --> 00:42:32,400
weren't they add mark that fires are

1024
00:42:39,289 --> 00:42:35,460
burning on floors seven through nine

1025
00:42:40,099 --> 00:42:39,299
when clearly only two of said floors are

1026
00:42:42,769 --> 00:42:40,109
actually burning

1027
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,779
yeah it doesn't see visibly the witness

1028
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:44,880
not show at that point yeah something

1029
00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:49,200
fell down all right and you know I'm

1030
00:42:53,420 --> 00:42:51,089
looking at the fires they seem very

1031
00:42:54,890 --> 00:42:53,430
wind-driven are very very strong to me

1032
00:42:55,970 --> 00:42:54,900
like this you know it zoomed in right

1033
00:43:01,849 --> 00:42:55,980
now I don't if you're just watching the

1034
00:43:03,950 --> 00:43:01,859
same bet I'm at like 225 there's you

1035
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:03,960
know very very strong high snow we're

1036
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:06,450
nearly at the end now but you know that

1037
00:43:10,759 --> 00:43:09,569
obviously it's a big building so even

1038
00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:10,769
though the fires are going on a few

1039
00:43:20,259 --> 00:43:13,140
floors that still you know quite a bit

1040
00:43:31,130 --> 00:43:23,299
it's definitely like that's that's a bad

1041
00:43:32,930 --> 00:43:31,140
fire by all means although you see the

1042
00:43:36,259 --> 00:43:32,940
fire sub-regional on those buildings you

1043
00:43:38,180 --> 00:43:36,269
would see a considerably noticeable

1044
00:43:40,819 --> 00:43:38,190
difference yeah well that's the first

1045
00:43:44,749 --> 00:43:40,829
interesting in the first one that's done

1046
00:43:46,910 --> 00:43:44,759
is the Windsor Tower in Madrid you

1047
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:46,920
familiar with that one is the first the

1048
00:43:52,009 --> 00:43:48,210
first thing that they show in the video

1049
00:43:53,450 --> 00:43:52,019
you just sent to me and that's actually

1050
00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:53,460
one of my favorite examples for a

1051
00:43:57,700 --> 00:43:56,730
building that nearly collapsed due to

1052
00:44:02,420 --> 00:43:57,710
fire

1053
00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:02,430
it's the the is the top half of the

1054
00:44:09,620 --> 00:44:07,710
building collapsed around the core it

1055
00:44:11,779 --> 00:44:09,630
was stopped I think by a mechanical

1056
00:44:14,509 --> 00:44:11,789
floor there was like halfway down the

1057
00:44:16,370 --> 00:44:14,519
building but it did actually Chloe you

1058
00:44:18,170 --> 00:44:16,380
see it all falling down there that's

1059
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:18,180
quite dramatic so you've not watching

1060
00:44:23,740 --> 00:44:20,000
the same thing but

1061
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:23,750
how intense the fires are or it's

1062
00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:27,690
significantly more intense well it's a

1063
00:44:31,970 --> 00:44:29,460
night which I think makes it

1064
00:44:34,490 --> 00:44:31,980
misleadingly more yes agree the night

1065
00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:34,500
can enhance the contrast but you can't

1066
00:44:41,390 --> 00:44:36,780
deny the size of the flames I'm sorry

1067
00:44:48,020 --> 00:44:41,400
yes yeah yeah but you only need one

1068
00:44:49,130 --> 00:44:48,030
floor to failure surface year of the

1069
00:44:51,380 --> 00:44:49,140
building that's ignorant

1070
00:44:54,170 --> 00:44:51,390
it looks like the building is much more

1071
00:44:56,210 --> 00:44:54,180
encapsulated in fire in Madrid than

1072
00:44:58,370 --> 00:44:56,220
World Trade Center servant well in

1073
00:45:02,750 --> 00:44:58,380
workers under 700 honestly I can only

1074
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:02,760
see at max like 7 to 7 to 10 floors

1075
00:45:05,780 --> 00:45:03,359
burning

1076
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:05,790
whereas with Madrid almost the entire

1077
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:07,920
building is burning yeah well if you

1078
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:09,359
look at the south side you see a lot of

1079
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:10,890
smoke and you'd every know what's going

1080
00:45:14,270 --> 00:45:12,450
on behind that smoke but it seems to be

1081
00:45:17,780 --> 00:45:14,280
smoke coming from every single floor on

1082
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:17,790
the south side yeah I think you know we

1083
00:45:21,890 --> 00:45:19,650
these are arguments that people have

1084
00:45:23,930 --> 00:45:21,900
been having for many many years and

1085
00:45:27,770 --> 00:45:23,940
maybe we can like kind of discuss it in

1086
00:45:30,109 --> 00:45:27,780
a little more more of a meta sense why

1087
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:30,119
do you think like no progress ever gets

1088
00:45:35,539 --> 00:45:34,319
made you know if you you're relatively

1089
00:45:43,099 --> 00:45:35,549
young or you're in your twenties you're

1090
00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:43,109
a student is that correct yeah ok so you

1091
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:45,420
would have been just a kid when 9/11

1092
00:45:49,220 --> 00:45:47,280
happened and you're just you just grew

1093
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:49,230
up with it and eventually you you know

1094
00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:50,640
you learn more about it and became

1095
00:45:56,510 --> 00:45:53,369
suspicious and got interested in in the

1096
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:56,520
topic but you know it's it's nearly 20

1097
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:00,960
years now 18 years and nothing's really

1098
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:05,119
changed in the 9/11 truth movement in

1099
00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:08,960
probably the last 12 years or so since

1100
00:46:14,210 --> 00:46:12,030
that's our pupil I mean architects

1101
00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:14,220
engineers from like from 9/11 crews has

1102
00:46:20,780 --> 00:46:16,380
grown from like 1,000 members when it

1103
00:46:23,780 --> 00:46:20,790
started to 3,000 plus now right now dr.

1104
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:23,790
Leroy Halsey is working on his project

1105
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:27,089
on why WTC 7 fell of the university of

1106
00:46:33,470 --> 00:46:30,240
fairbanks alaska or university alaska

1107
00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:33,480
fairbanks however the order of that is

1108
00:46:36,980 --> 00:46:35,369
you have the lawyers Committee for 911

1109
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:36,990
crews pushing forward their grand

1110
00:46:43,789 --> 00:46:41,280
position jury the grand jury petition

1111
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:43,799
hearing or hearing for Andrew however

1112
00:46:47,420 --> 00:46:45,930
it's called so you have a lot of

1113
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:47,430
movements that are actually making a bit

1114
00:46:54,260 --> 00:46:51,359
more for you could stay in progress at

1115
00:46:56,299 --> 00:46:54,270
least a push maybe awareness but I would

1116
00:47:00,500 --> 00:46:56,309
agree with you generally in that even

1117
00:47:01,700 --> 00:47:00,510
though that that's a problem though it

1118
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:01,710
isn't I would agree with you that

1119
00:47:07,579 --> 00:47:05,609
overall despite those minor minor

1120
00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:07,589
achievements they haven't made much

1121
00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:09,240
progress although that's not really

1122
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:11,099
indicative of whether their information

1123
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:13,410
is credible or criminal there are tons

1124
00:47:17,690 --> 00:47:16,170
of people who have plenty of credible

1125
00:47:20,180 --> 00:47:17,700
ideas that are really worthwhile please

1126
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:20,190
never get heard and that's just the case

1127
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:22,410
for something that well when 9/11

1128
00:47:27,319 --> 00:47:25,170
specifically well conspiracy theory is

1129
00:47:28,819 --> 00:47:27,329
seen as a pejorative seen as it to blue

1130
00:47:30,530 --> 00:47:28,829
seen as one of those topics that people

1131
00:47:32,750 --> 00:47:30,540
don't like to discuss because it's

1132
00:47:35,420 --> 00:47:32,760
either too controversial

1133
00:47:38,299 --> 00:47:35,430
the defense people brings our past

1134
00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:38,309
traumas some people just don't want to

1135
00:47:42,289 --> 00:47:39,950
talk about politics so unfortunately

1136
00:47:44,329 --> 00:47:42,299
9/11 happens to fall into that category

1137
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:44,339
of people just wanna don't talk about

1138
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:46,650
politics forget conspiracy theories it

1139
00:47:48,589 --> 00:47:47,970
just politics people don't Michael all

1140
00:47:51,260 --> 00:47:48,599
the times

1141
00:47:52,970 --> 00:47:51,270
so there's thus one part of it the other

1142
00:47:55,220 --> 00:47:52,980
part is that well that's the media

1143
00:47:57,380 --> 00:47:55,230
that's a very powerful institution when

1144
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:57,390
they hammer home how 9/11 happened and

1145
00:48:03,380 --> 00:48:00,000
media theory says that the first story

1146
00:48:05,450 --> 00:48:03,390
is what six people the most when I'm in

1147
00:48:07,940 --> 00:48:05,460
love and did break it was the mainstream

1148
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:07,950
media who reported it exactly as the

1149
00:48:12,829 --> 00:48:10,770
u.s. wanted them to how was it that the

1150
00:48:14,539 --> 00:48:12,839
mainstream media whom the day of 9/11

1151
00:48:17,299 --> 00:48:14,549
was already telling everyone it was al

1152
00:48:19,579 --> 00:48:17,309
Qaeda and Osama bin Laden without any

1153
00:48:20,839 --> 00:48:19,589
sort of investigation well I think they

1154
00:48:22,970 --> 00:48:20,849
probably based it on the previous

1155
00:48:25,220 --> 00:48:22,980
attacks on the World Trade Center towers

1156
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,230
and the threats that have been an

1157
00:48:30,799 --> 00:48:28,079
assumption yes an assumption and

1158
00:48:33,079 --> 00:48:30,809
speculation which we could agree is

1159
00:48:36,980 --> 00:48:33,089
widespread conspiracy theory

1160
00:48:39,410 --> 00:48:36,990
fear-mongering I wouldn't say I'd call

1161
00:48:41,329 --> 00:48:39,420
it that I would say it's a they made an

1162
00:48:43,069 --> 00:48:41,339
assumption that's the most likely

1163
00:48:45,260 --> 00:48:43,079
candidate for it would have been you

1164
00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:45,270
know some kind of jihadist terrorists

1165
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:46,740
because of the the

1166
00:48:55,700 --> 00:48:49,850
his attack and yeah the threat to

1167
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:55,710
essential work to go yeah now obviously

1168
00:49:00,070 --> 00:48:57,119
like you could you can make the case

1169
00:49:02,810 --> 00:49:00,080
obviously that it was a convenient

1170
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:02,820
excuse to go to war and therefore you

1171
00:49:06,530 --> 00:49:05,310
know there may be someone did it because

1172
00:49:07,850 --> 00:49:06,540
they wanted to go to war but then you

1173
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:07,860
could also just make the case that they

1174
00:49:11,390 --> 00:49:09,930
simply exploited the event they were

1175
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,400
glad that it happened later than they

1176
00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:13,920
they made it happen but like just

1177
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:17,400
getting back to the case it's it's an

1178
00:49:24,050 --> 00:49:21,330
either case it's it's indicative of some

1179
00:49:28,340 --> 00:49:24,060
kind of you know it is indicative some

1180
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:28,350
kind of mischievous machine is miss well

1181
00:49:32,510 --> 00:49:30,960
yeah they're exploiting the event after

1182
00:49:35,330 --> 00:49:32,520
it happened doesn't necessarily mean

1183
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:35,340
that they caused the event it just means

1184
00:49:40,070 --> 00:49:38,250
that something happened that's just

1185
00:49:42,130 --> 00:49:40,080
something even if you take advantage of

1186
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:42,140
something without the consent or

1187
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:45,210
complete and for information to public

1188
00:49:51,980 --> 00:49:49,490
that is still a conspiracy they're not

1189
00:49:56,180 --> 00:49:51,990
exploiting an event for political

1190
00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:56,190
benefit and it's a secret hold events

1191
00:50:00,620 --> 00:49:57,960
get exploited every single event that

1192
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:00,630
gets that happens people try to exploit

1193
00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:03,090
like if there's a mass shooting that

1194
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,180
people are anti-gun you know exploit it

1195
00:50:10,430 --> 00:50:08,640
for to provide their message and the

1196
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:10,440
people who are pro-gun will you know try

1197
00:50:16,940 --> 00:50:11,970
to spin it a different way so that's

1198
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:16,950
just what politicians do so like let's

1199
00:50:21,740 --> 00:50:18,810
say let's take the gun control example

1200
00:50:25,820 --> 00:50:21,750
for the gun control example say I am

1201
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:25,830
what is the gun the antigone the NRA so

1202
00:50:31,790 --> 00:50:28,890
the NRA in the US say I'm on the board

1203
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:31,800
of executives at the NRA a mass shooting

1204
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,170
has just happened I collaborate with my

1205
00:50:38,359 --> 00:50:36,240
team of PR agents and media publicist

1206
00:50:41,540 --> 00:50:38,369
that gonna take advantage of the

1207
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:41,550
situation in order to get people to

1208
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:43,770
actually support gun rights more now say

1209
00:50:50,210 --> 00:50:47,760
that that somehow inverted Li leads to

1210
00:50:53,930 --> 00:50:50,220
people buying guns and one other mass

1211
00:50:56,090 --> 00:50:53,940
shooting happening now hasn't a not the

1212
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:56,100
NRA technically committed a conspiracy

1213
00:51:00,500 --> 00:50:59,040
because they did in secret decides to

1214
00:51:02,930 --> 00:51:00,510
take advance or situation

1215
00:51:05,150 --> 00:51:02,940
turned out to have harmful outcomes to

1216
00:51:07,070 --> 00:51:05,160
people as a definition of a conspiracy

1217
00:51:10,580 --> 00:51:07,080
when people get together a secret to

1218
00:51:12,530 --> 00:51:10,590
plan a harmful or illegal acts that's

1219
00:51:15,170 --> 00:51:12,540
all it is it's the precursor to almost

1220
00:51:17,090 --> 00:51:15,180
every crime that we have if someone if

1221
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:17,100
two people make a crime to steal and

1222
00:51:20,750 --> 00:51:18,810
they planned it you also get charged

1223
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:20,760
with conspiracy to steal murder

1224
00:51:25,310 --> 00:51:23,280
conspiracy to murder any time it's two

1225
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:25,320
to more people involved in a crime so

1226
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,850
they need illegal or harmful act

1227
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:28,800
it's already labeled as conspiracy so

1228
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:31,650
it's it's a more common some more common

1229
00:51:35,780 --> 00:51:33,359
thing than people think it is and it's

1230
00:51:38,570 --> 00:51:35,790
become such a misnomer and uses a

1231
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:38,580
majority so I'm gonna show your point is

1232
00:51:42,890 --> 00:51:40,740
here because everyone knows that

1233
00:51:45,950 --> 00:51:42,900
conspiracies happen all the time like in

1234
00:51:47,540 --> 00:51:45,960
my book escaping the rabbit hole the

1235
00:51:49,580 --> 00:51:47,550
first words in the introduction are

1236
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:49,590
conspiracies are very real of course and

1237
00:51:53,390 --> 00:51:51,690
I had list a bunch of actual

1238
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:53,400
conspiracies and everybody knows that

1239
00:52:00,170 --> 00:51:55,530
people come to town everybody knows that

1240
00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:00,180
the politicians honest that the

1241
00:52:06,290 --> 00:52:03,510
assumption that that people make were it

1242
00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:06,300
like I've personally like I watched your

1243
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:09,420
or your debate with the Tonys Ambala T

1244
00:52:16,220 --> 00:52:13,050
from 8911 and you made the one point

1245
00:52:19,580 --> 00:52:16,230
where you said he said he was implying

1246
00:52:22,099 --> 00:52:19,590
that this cheated on their data when

1247
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:22,109
they when they didn't they were not not

1248
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:24,450
revealing the data for the collapse of

1249
00:52:31,130 --> 00:52:28,800
WTC 7 model and to which you said that

1250
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:31,140
you're implying conspiracy here when

1251
00:52:36,170 --> 00:52:34,170
incompetence is the better is the better

1252
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:36,180
explanation and I don't see why that is

1253
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:39,690
why is incompetence automatically the

1254
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:41,010
better explanation without any

1255
00:52:48,530 --> 00:52:45,359
justification because incompetence is a

1256
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:48,540
lot easier for people to do a conspiracy

1257
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:50,730
especially a very complex conspiracy

1258
00:52:54,290 --> 00:52:52,050
involving a lot of people is a very very

1259
00:52:58,970 --> 00:52:54,300
difficult thing because it just mess up

1260
00:53:00,980 --> 00:52:58,980
or to be you know just doing something

1261
00:53:03,650 --> 00:53:00,990
cause you can't be bothered to do it or

1262
00:53:05,810 --> 00:53:03,660
some supermost some other reason is

1263
00:53:06,980 --> 00:53:05,820
there's a lot simpler who's just all

1264
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:06,990
they did was they did nothing they

1265
00:53:09,859 --> 00:53:08,460
didn't release the data and then when

1266
00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:09,869
they were asked to release the data they

1267
00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:11,730
said like we don't release the data cuz

1268
00:53:16,730 --> 00:53:13,980
it's you know if people might use it

1269
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:16,740
destroy the buildings and maybe they

1270
00:53:26,750 --> 00:53:20,010
could have released it yeah but having a

1271
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:26,760
conspiracy but you just would prefer to

1272
00:53:33,650 --> 00:53:30,300
lay to go with the easier solution that

1273
00:53:38,660 --> 00:53:33,660
makes more sense to you subjectively no

1274
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:38,670
Occam's razor actually blowing well but

1275
00:53:42,859 --> 00:53:41,250
both alternatives okay especially when

1276
00:53:45,140 --> 00:53:42,869
it comes to a political act like this

1277
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:45,150
when like you said conspiracies are

1278
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:47,250
known to happen and they do happen

1279
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:48,690
within political within the political

1280
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,090
atmosphere the economic atmosphere

1281
00:53:55,490 --> 00:53:53,520
oh we you know they happen so why should

1282
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:55,500
we just automatically dismiss when

1283
00:53:59,599 --> 00:53:57,570
consider the possibility of conspiracy

1284
00:54:01,070 --> 00:53:59,609
and see that it has to be since I

1285
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:01,080
wouldn't dismiss it I would I would just

1286
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:03,359
rank it appropriately I would say the

1287
00:54:06,530 --> 00:54:05,730
most the more likely explanation is is

1288
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:06,540
incompetence

1289
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:08,130
now you know I mentioned Occam's razor

1290
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:10,410
which is psychological tool and people

1291
00:54:14,330 --> 00:54:11,910
often think that Occam's razor means the

1292
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:14,340
simplest explanation is the best but

1293
00:54:17,390 --> 00:54:15,810
it's not it's slightly more complicated

1294
00:54:19,580 --> 00:54:17,400
than that Occam's razor says you

1295
00:54:21,530 --> 00:54:19,590
shouldn't you shouldn't have to add

1296
00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:21,540
things to an explanation do not multiply

1297
00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:25,710
the entities required more than this

1298
00:54:31,070 --> 00:54:29,700
necessary so you do if you if you find

1299
00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:31,080
that you have to add something to an

1300
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:33,000
explanation then the explanation that

1301
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:34,410
doesn't require things adding two is

1302
00:54:37,220 --> 00:54:36,720
usually the one that's more likely to be

1303
00:54:40,250 --> 00:54:37,230
correct

1304
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:40,260
it's not always the case but like with

1305
00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:42,810
with releasing the data NIST didn't

1306
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:45,960
release the data behind the global

1307
00:54:51,230 --> 00:54:48,210
models for the collapse of World Trade

1308
00:54:55,220 --> 00:54:51,240
Center seven and now on one hand you

1309
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:55,230
know the suggestion is just that and

1310
00:54:57,950 --> 00:54:56,730
also incompetence is a good thing there

1311
00:54:59,599 --> 00:54:57,960
but they just they just didn't want to

1312
00:55:02,480 --> 00:54:59,609
release it because they thought that it

1313
00:55:03,590 --> 00:55:02,490
was dangerous on the other hand you're

1314
00:55:05,930 --> 00:55:03,600
saying that they didn't release it

1315
00:55:07,250 --> 00:55:05,940
because this there's a huge conspiracy

1316
00:55:10,730 --> 00:55:07,260
and that the buildings were actually

1317
00:55:14,830 --> 00:55:10,740
destroyed by controlled demolition so

1318
00:55:18,410 --> 00:55:14,840
you had this I think assumption

1319
00:55:20,570 --> 00:55:18,420
exaggeration of my position not that

1320
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:20,580
it's not that it's not that just that

1321
00:55:25,010 --> 00:55:22,770
one point is indicative of a huge

1322
00:55:27,470 --> 00:55:25,020
conspiracy it's just to me it's

1323
00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:27,480
suspicious yes that they would

1324
00:55:31,900 --> 00:55:30,030
to hide their data and claim it as

1325
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:31,910
matters of national security which is

1326
00:55:38,030 --> 00:55:35,280
actually not as far as reasons for

1327
00:55:39,770 --> 00:55:38,040
keeping stuff classified goes is not a

1328
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,780
bad reason I understand the reasoning

1329
00:55:43,970 --> 00:55:41,760
for it that perhaps future terrorists

1330
00:55:46,070 --> 00:55:43,980
may get all that and use it as a way to

1331
00:55:50,830 --> 00:55:46,080
expose weaknesses in all the buildings

1332
00:55:53,450 --> 00:55:50,840
uh but in my counter to that argument is

1333
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:53,460
why don't they release it so engineers

1334
00:55:56,270 --> 00:55:54,810
know how to build the head though that

1335
00:55:58,460 --> 00:55:56,280
buildings differently the safeguard

1336
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,470
against attacks like that that's kind of

1337
00:56:03,140 --> 00:56:00,960
if they're able to reveal the weaknesses

1338
00:56:05,630 --> 00:56:03,150
in the building with that with the data

1339
00:56:07,820 --> 00:56:05,640
couldn't they just alter how they design

1340
00:56:09,830 --> 00:56:07,830
buildings I think okay all the way they

1341
00:56:12,290 --> 00:56:09,840
did they could but I think the problem

1342
00:56:14,660 --> 00:56:12,300
there is like it's similar with computer

1343
00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:14,670
programming if there's a thing called a

1344
00:56:20,540 --> 00:56:18,420
zero day exploit where if someone finds

1345
00:56:23,470 --> 00:56:20,550
a bug in some software and then they

1346
00:56:25,970 --> 00:56:23,480
release the information about the bug

1347
00:56:28,790 --> 00:56:25,980
hackers will get that information and on

1348
00:56:30,590 --> 00:56:28,800
the first day the zero day they will be

1349
00:56:32,030 --> 00:56:30,600
able to create an exploit and hack into

1350
00:56:35,660 --> 00:56:32,040
everybody's systems because it takes a

1351
00:56:37,609 --> 00:56:35,670
long time for people to patch all their

1352
00:56:39,020 --> 00:56:37,619
systems when they're all different you

1353
00:56:40,220 --> 00:56:39,030
know it's a lot quicker than creating

1354
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:40,230
new buildings or retrofitting buildings

1355
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:42,570
but you can't just say oh yeah we've

1356
00:56:46,849 --> 00:56:44,490
discovered that if you just plant one

1357
00:56:48,590 --> 00:56:46,859
explosive at a certain column that it

1358
00:56:50,930 --> 00:56:48,600
will destroy pretty much like any

1359
00:56:52,460 --> 00:56:50,940
building of this type and just tell

1360
00:56:54,620 --> 00:56:52,470
everybody that and then say well you all

1361
00:56:57,290 --> 00:56:54,630
got to go and go and fix this there now

1362
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,300
you wouldn't do that publicly if it was

1363
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:59,520
such an issue then you would went into a

1364
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:01,200
very privately and don't get it to get

1365
00:57:04,940 --> 00:57:03,119
taken care of I personally don't think

1366
00:57:06,890 --> 00:57:04,950
that they really had a very good case

1367
00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:06,900
for keeping the data private I think it

1368
00:57:11,870 --> 00:57:10,710
was just basically they they just chose

1369
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:11,880
the default option from their

1370
00:57:16,099 --> 00:57:13,440
perspective that someone said well maybe

1371
00:57:17,210 --> 00:57:16,109
there is some kind of problem with with

1372
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:17,220
this maybe there's some national

1373
00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:18,720
security issue so we shouldn't release

1374
00:57:23,450 --> 00:57:21,030
it and once once that thing became

1375
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:23,460
obssessed then they just didn't there

1376
00:57:31,310 --> 00:57:25,010
was no way it was going to change

1377
00:57:33,410 --> 00:57:31,320
because there's no incentive that could

1378
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:33,420
have been a case of just bureaucracy and

1379
00:57:37,609 --> 00:57:35,280
incompetence over there and all greedy

1380
00:57:39,530 --> 00:57:37,619
that that could have been you and which

1381
00:57:41,089 --> 00:57:39,540
and that's the thing though with a lot

1382
00:57:45,089 --> 00:57:41,099
of these things when it comes to

1383
00:57:46,740 --> 00:57:45,099
regarding incompetency versus conspiracy

1384
00:57:48,750 --> 00:57:46,750
I mean either way we talk about it's

1385
00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:48,760
just speculation from your stance or my

1386
00:57:54,359 --> 00:57:53,710
stance so yeah I agree with that looking

1387
00:57:56,370 --> 00:57:54,369
at the facts

1388
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:56,380
but going back to our saying earlier

1389
00:57:59,579 --> 00:57:57,520
people have been looking at the facts

1390
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:59,589
for 18 years now you made a point

1391
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:01,599
earlier you feel that you the collapse

1392
00:58:05,790 --> 00:58:03,010
of the building breaks the laws of

1393
00:58:07,079 --> 00:58:05,800
physics if the official explanation is

1394
00:58:09,329 --> 00:58:07,089
correct - you think it breaks the laws

1395
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:09,339
of physics because of the Newton's laws

1396
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:11,770
of motion and path of least resistance

1397
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:13,839
and things like that and they seem

1398
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:15,280
fairly straightforward to you you've got

1399
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:18,010
like you know school education in

1400
00:58:23,130 --> 00:58:21,730
physics but if it's been 18 years and

1401
00:58:25,290 --> 00:58:23,140
we've all been looking at the same

1402
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:25,300
videos and things of the the collapses

1403
00:58:30,990 --> 00:58:29,200
of the buildings why hasn't that become

1404
00:58:34,530 --> 00:58:31,000
accepted truth I mean there's there's

1405
00:58:37,140 --> 00:58:34,540
literally millions tens of millions of

1406
00:58:39,450 --> 00:58:37,150
people who have your level of

1407
00:58:40,829 --> 00:58:39,460
understanding of physics or better yeah

1408
00:58:42,359 --> 00:58:40,839
there's probably right now like a

1409
00:58:44,370 --> 00:58:42,369
hundred thousand students around the

1410
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:44,380
world who are studying physics and who

1411
00:58:48,030 --> 00:58:45,970
know physics better than you and I do

1412
00:58:49,740 --> 00:58:48,040
and they should be able to figure this

1413
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:49,750
out hundreds of thousands of people

1414
00:58:53,819 --> 00:58:51,609
millions of people in the professional

1415
00:58:56,809 --> 00:58:53,829
sphere tens of millions of people not

1416
00:59:00,540 --> 00:58:56,819
just in this country in other countries

1417
00:59:01,770 --> 00:59:00,550
like like I said it's just mainly most

1418
00:59:03,540 --> 00:59:01,780
people just don't have the interest to

1419
00:59:06,329 --> 00:59:03,550
look in the subject or they they don't

1420
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:06,339
have the second thought did think to

1421
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:07,930
look into it and that's that's just it I

1422
00:59:12,089 --> 00:59:10,000
don't think there's some joint like

1423
00:59:15,660 --> 00:59:12,099
there is at some point like when it

1424
00:59:17,099 --> 00:59:15,670
comes to propaganda and PR and psyops

1425
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:17,109
like there is some kind of an effort

1426
00:59:22,650 --> 00:59:19,930
well no and I'm not talking about no I

1427
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:22,660
love and talk about any any kind of

1428
00:59:29,099 --> 00:59:26,650
world event we know that from Chomsky's

1429
00:59:31,410 --> 00:59:29,109
propaganda model how the news worlds the

1430
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:31,420
five propaganda filters through flack

1431
00:59:36,839 --> 00:59:34,480
advertisers and all that baha media at

1432
00:59:40,290 --> 00:59:36,849
least corporate media is on through

1433
00:59:43,020 --> 00:59:40,300
their shareholders advertisers there's

1434
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:43,030
all wealth companies like say the whole

1435
00:59:45,780 --> 00:59:44,530
world is brain brainwash like all the

1436
00:59:47,700 --> 00:59:45,790
people in China are being brainwashed

1437
00:59:52,589 --> 00:59:47,710
all the people other than

1438
00:59:54,359 --> 00:59:52,599
Japan Korea Africa South America that's

1439
00:59:56,670 --> 00:59:54,369
that's actually a good point because

1440
00:59:58,680 --> 00:59:56,680
Japan well there was a congressman a few

1441
01:00:00,329 --> 00:59:58,690
years ago who brought it up in Japanese

1442
01:00:01,670 --> 01:00:00,339
Parliament that they need to look into

1443
01:00:04,050 --> 01:00:01,680
the same thing happened in Amsterdam

1444
01:00:06,060 --> 01:00:04,060
people have over the world looked into

1445
01:00:08,970 --> 01:00:06,070
it just that sometimes this news isn't

1446
01:00:11,940 --> 01:00:08,980
top paid front page stuff top of the

1447
01:00:12,329 --> 01:00:11,950
YouTube buzz suggested feed if you get

1448
01:00:15,420 --> 01:00:12,339
what I mean

1449
01:00:17,250 --> 01:00:15,430
but love these things just aren't just

1450
01:00:19,859 --> 01:00:17,260
aren't that accessible so you're a

1451
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:19,869
specific example though of the the laws

1452
01:00:23,849 --> 01:00:22,089
of physics type saying yeah you're

1453
01:00:27,390 --> 01:00:23,859
sticking by there's as being actual

1454
01:00:28,589 --> 01:00:27,400
evidence and yeah yeah you like I said

1455
01:00:29,849 --> 01:00:28,599
there's tens of millions of people and

1456
01:00:32,250 --> 01:00:29,859
you think they've all just somehow been

1457
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:32,260
brainwashed into not caring about it and

1458
01:00:37,140 --> 01:00:35,650
so they don't see if I can figure that

1459
01:00:38,579 --> 01:00:37,150
out if I could figure that out that

1460
01:00:41,010 --> 01:00:38,589
would be the most amazing thing ever I

1461
01:00:43,020 --> 01:00:41,020
would tell everybody about it that's a

1462
01:00:45,180 --> 01:00:43,030
strong argument I'm not saying that

1463
01:00:47,250 --> 01:00:45,190
tons of millions of millions people been

1464
01:00:49,710 --> 01:00:47,260
brainwashed to believe that the wrong

1465
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:49,720
laws of physics have taken place I'm

1466
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:51,010
saying tens of tens of billions people

1467
01:00:55,740 --> 01:00:53,890
haven't even had thought of whether it

1468
01:00:58,079 --> 01:00:55,750
has or not they haven't decided whether

1469
01:00:59,780 --> 01:00:58,089
whether it falls laws of physics law

1470
01:01:02,849 --> 01:00:59,790
they just haven't looked into it just

1471
01:01:04,589 --> 01:01:02,859
like I said it's it's it's it's it's

1472
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:04,599
ignorance but it's not willful ignorance

1473
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:07,930
it's just okay I like for example do you

1474
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:12,250
know how to cure how to cure a cool

1475
01:01:19,859 --> 01:01:15,490
cobra bite venom poison do you ever look

1476
01:01:21,810 --> 01:01:19,869
it up no exactly

1477
01:01:23,130 --> 01:01:21,820
so white eat there's tens of millions of

1478
01:01:25,260 --> 01:01:23,140
people in the world who could

1479
01:01:28,109 --> 01:01:25,270
potentially get bitten by Cobras that

1480
01:01:29,550 --> 01:01:28,119
they don't know how to cure it is a very

1481
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:29,560
different system looked into it because

1482
01:01:35,250 --> 01:01:32,770
the oh yes it is it is a different thing

1483
01:01:38,070 --> 01:01:35,260
but like on this on the topic of

1484
01:01:39,900 --> 01:01:38,080
subjects not everyone is interested in

1485
01:01:41,550 --> 01:01:39,910
the same in the same topics and that's

1486
01:01:43,410 --> 01:01:41,560
okay to me that everyone in the world

1487
01:01:46,109 --> 01:01:43,420
isn't concerned I love this it's not

1488
01:01:49,380 --> 01:01:46,119
about how many people are on to a topic

1489
01:01:51,060 --> 01:01:49,390
it make it's it's BA the actual content

1490
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:51,070
of the it isn't about a popularity

1491
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:52,810
constants about oh so many people don't

1492
01:01:56,940 --> 01:01:54,970
know this is happening that must mean it

1493
01:01:59,950 --> 01:01:56,950
isn't true that isn't true was it when

1494
01:02:01,990 --> 01:01:59,960
back when whatever

1495
01:02:04,210 --> 01:02:02,000
his assistant was that suggested that

1496
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:04,220
light actually bounces into eyes he was

1497
01:02:08,140 --> 01:02:06,010
considered crazy for so long for

1498
01:02:10,180 --> 01:02:08,150
suggesting that light actually bounced

1499
01:02:11,529 --> 01:02:10,190
into our eyes from other objects when

1500
01:02:13,870 --> 01:02:11,539
everyone was thinking that oh like a

1501
01:02:16,059 --> 01:02:13,880
shot out from our eyes and that floor

1502
01:02:18,250 --> 01:02:16,069
despite the fact that it's only people

1503
01:02:20,170 --> 01:02:18,260
who could potentially learn the physics

1504
01:02:22,359 --> 01:02:20,180
that he learned in order to figure it

1505
01:02:24,519 --> 01:02:22,369
out they didn't because either they

1506
01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:24,529
didn't have the information they didn't

1507
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:26,329
have the NOC they didn't have the access

1508
01:02:29,470 --> 01:02:27,680
information or they just weren't

1509
01:02:31,930 --> 01:02:29,480
interested find it out because you never

1510
01:02:33,220 --> 01:02:31,940
thought you and that is an indicative of

1511
01:02:35,890 --> 01:02:33,230
brainwashing or anything that's just

1512
01:02:38,620 --> 01:02:35,900
basic human ignorance and that's not

1513
01:02:40,539 --> 01:02:38,630
their fault that you are talking about

1514
01:02:42,309 --> 01:02:40,549
the stuff you're talking about isn't

1515
01:02:46,329 --> 01:02:42,319
really like you know a paradigm shift to

1516
01:02:47,890 --> 01:02:46,339
use a phrase like it's not you're saying

1517
01:02:49,779 --> 01:02:47,900
it's very basic physics that we're

1518
01:02:51,490 --> 01:02:49,789
talking about here like is simply

1519
01:02:53,170 --> 01:02:51,500
Newton's laws of the ocean that prove

1520
01:02:55,059 --> 01:02:53,180
that the building could not have

1521
01:02:58,569 --> 01:02:55,069
collapsed the way it did without

1522
01:03:01,720 --> 01:02:58,579
explosives and surely someone put out

1523
01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:01,730
like does that prove that it was

1524
01:03:12,279 --> 01:03:09,049
controlled demolition it just all it

1525
01:03:14,170 --> 01:03:12,289
does it says that the official in this

1526
01:03:15,789 --> 01:03:14,180
report has inconsistencies and

1527
01:03:18,609 --> 01:03:15,799
contradictions in it that merits to

1528
01:03:22,089 --> 01:03:18,619
reopening off an investigation that's a

1529
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:22,099
neutral private third party that isn't

1530
01:03:25,930 --> 01:03:23,359
funded by the government

1531
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:25,940
how potential conflicts of interest so

1532
01:03:28,930 --> 01:03:27,410
do you think that there's a way the

1533
01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:28,940
building's could have collapsed without

1534
01:03:36,430 --> 01:03:31,369
explosives that you're just not aware of

1535
01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:36,440
I mean it's possible but you think it's

1536
01:03:39,940 --> 01:03:38,569
it's also possible the bullets could

1537
01:03:41,650 --> 01:03:39,950
have come down due to control

1538
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:41,660
demolitions despite missed having not

1539
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:43,730
testable in so you don't you don't think

1540
01:03:47,529 --> 01:03:45,890
you have proof of controlled demolition

1541
01:03:51,970 --> 01:03:47,539
you just think whether there's

1542
01:03:54,039 --> 01:03:51,980
indications or questions look like

1543
01:03:57,010 --> 01:03:54,049
that's that I think it's firstly

1544
01:04:01,210 --> 01:03:57,020
likeness hadn't tested for explosives

1545
01:04:03,789 --> 01:04:01,220
which say t2 and there is someone else

1546
01:04:06,339 --> 01:04:03,799
it's just that that control demolition

1547
01:04:07,390 --> 01:04:06,349
should have been tested for and that's

1548
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:07,400
all I'm saying I'm not saying that

1549
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:09,890
there's definitive proof that it was

1550
01:04:12,970 --> 01:04:11,599
control demolition I'm not an

1551
01:04:14,740 --> 01:04:12,980
investigator

1552
01:04:16,900 --> 01:04:14,750
not going to speculate as to what

1553
01:04:19,750 --> 01:04:16,910
actually happened or I'm just asking

1554
01:04:21,820 --> 01:04:19,760
questions and these are my doubts and I

1555
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:21,830
think another investigation needs to be

1556
01:04:26,349 --> 01:04:24,050
done I can't say exactly what happened

1557
01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:26,359
I'm not commissioned I don't know all

1558
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:29,119
the answers do you think another

1559
01:04:35,650 --> 01:04:30,650
investigation will be done

1560
01:04:38,140 --> 01:04:35,660
I honestly I'm doubtful of that I think

1561
01:04:40,900 --> 01:04:38,150
unless there is a concerted effort

1562
01:04:42,940 --> 01:04:40,910
worldwide to actually get another

1563
01:04:47,470 --> 01:04:42,950
investigation I don't think that will be

1564
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:47,480
you know and I do agree that like I said

1565
01:04:53,500 --> 01:04:51,290
the 9/11 truth movement hasn't made many

1566
01:04:56,700 --> 01:04:53,510
great strides and that's partially due

1567
01:05:00,460 --> 01:04:56,710
just due to the tribute the topic mainly

1568
01:05:01,900 --> 01:05:00,470
and that's not some of it is some of its

1569
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:01,910
intentional some of it is just human

1570
01:05:07,630 --> 01:05:04,640
nature so if it is just ignorance and

1571
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:07,640
like I said that isn't a fault

1572
01:05:13,270 --> 01:05:10,130
and there's just a lot a lot of stories

1573
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:13,280
that just don't get big despite actually

1574
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:16,010
being of value to certain people that

1575
01:05:19,930 --> 01:05:17,690
just happens that's how the media is

1576
01:05:22,060 --> 01:05:19,940
some people of different interests and

1577
01:05:24,310 --> 01:05:22,070
can always satisfy everyone I mean I'm

1578
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:24,320
18 years isn't even that long I mean

1579
01:05:29,830 --> 01:05:26,720
look at proven conspiracies in history

1580
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:29,840
that I've been Declassified such as

1581
01:05:34,030 --> 01:05:31,250
operation northwards of the Tuskegee

1582
01:05:36,820 --> 01:05:34,040
syphilis experiment or operation

1583
01:05:38,650 --> 01:05:36,830
Mockingbird or Operation Paperclip like

1584
01:05:40,570 --> 01:05:38,660
some of those took 40 years to come out

1585
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:40,580
people have been speculating that Nazis

1586
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:41,690
had come into the country under

1587
01:05:45,460 --> 01:05:43,970
Operation Paperclip for a while they

1588
01:05:48,099 --> 01:05:45,470
will consider loony and everyone's like

1589
01:05:50,170 --> 01:05:48,109
oh how comes no proof for that turns out

1590
01:05:52,270 --> 01:05:50,180
well like later for 40 50 years after

1591
01:05:56,050 --> 01:05:52,280
they did you finally declassify the

1592
01:06:00,220 --> 01:05:56,060
documents and then I gets reveal the

1593
01:06:01,330 --> 01:06:00,230
truth so 18 is in that kind of field

1594
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:01,340
especially when it comes to the

1595
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:03,410
classification of official conspiracies

1596
01:06:08,530 --> 01:06:05,810
18 years isn't that long half the time

1597
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:08,540
at all mm-hmm but here like it's kind of

1598
01:06:11,710 --> 01:06:09,680
a different situation because we have

1599
01:06:13,150 --> 01:06:11,720
all the evidence more or less out in in

1600
01:06:15,310 --> 01:06:13,160
plain sight like especially with the

1601
01:06:16,510 --> 01:06:15,320
physics of things like you would say

1602
01:06:17,890 --> 01:06:16,520
like you can look at the building's

1603
01:06:19,810 --> 01:06:17,900
themselves you have all these architects

1604
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:19,820
and engineers and they have these these

1605
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:21,290
mission statements wrong position

1606
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:23,210
statements where they say why they

1607
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:24,650
believe and they say oh it was obvious

1608
01:06:28,450 --> 01:06:26,250
to me from day one that

1609
01:06:30,380 --> 01:06:28,460
buildings could not have collapsed and

1610
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:30,390
so it's not really the same type of

1611
01:06:34,700 --> 01:06:32,960
thing is like people suspecting that

1612
01:06:36,410 --> 01:06:34,710
German scientists were brought over

1613
01:06:39,830 --> 01:06:36,420
after the war which obviously would have

1614
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:39,840
been a secret operation and some of the

1615
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:41,730
other stuff you mentioned yeah there was

1616
01:06:44,690 --> 01:06:43,290
conspiracy as Marissa there are

1617
01:06:46,010 --> 01:06:44,700
conspiracies and they got revealed later

1618
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:46,020
but they weren't really conspiracy

1619
01:06:51,530 --> 01:06:47,610
theories in the same way that people

1620
01:06:54,260 --> 01:06:51,540
were speculating that you know Operation

1621
01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:54,270
Northwoods was a thing you know until it

1622
01:06:57,650 --> 01:06:56,160
actually came out I think in a FOIA

1623
01:07:00,920 --> 01:06:57,660
request Freedom of Information Act

1624
01:07:02,630 --> 01:07:00,930
request at some point so yeah I think

1625
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:02,640
you know what an operation

1626
01:07:05,810 --> 01:07:04,290
mocking operation Mockingbird is

1627
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:05,820
actually a good example of something

1628
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:07,850
that was speculated for a long time

1629
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:09,690
operation Mockingbird was the

1630
01:07:15,100 --> 01:07:11,970
infiltration of the CIA into various

1631
01:07:20,450 --> 01:07:15,110
media organizations during the nineteen

1632
01:07:21,980 --> 01:07:20,460
I either start of the 1920s or 1940s can

1633
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:21,990
remember which which one of those years

1634
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:24,690
but one of them and that went on for a

1635
01:07:28,850 --> 01:07:26,970
long time on up until it was revealed in

1636
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:28,860
the Church Committee congressional

1637
01:07:33,650 --> 01:07:32,010
hearings where Allen Dulles the head of

1638
01:07:36,590 --> 01:07:33,660
the CIA at the time had to reveal things

1639
01:07:39,890 --> 01:07:36,600
about yeah they did have turned out that

1640
01:07:41,860 --> 01:07:39,900
they had what agents in about forty of

1641
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:41,870
the biggest newspapers in America and

1642
01:07:46,730 --> 01:07:44,970
including the affiliates such as radio

1643
01:07:49,370 --> 01:07:46,740
station something like 2,000 radio

1644
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:49,380
stations and all that and that was that

1645
01:07:53,150 --> 01:07:51,210
one thump like 30 to 40 years with the

1646
01:07:55,910 --> 01:07:53,160
whole McCarthyism rats here and so we

1647
01:07:58,820 --> 01:07:55,920
let us have that propaganda is a big

1648
01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:58,830
thing yeah you know that was something

1649
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:00,240
I've actually got revealed though and

1650
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:02,370
was you declared to be illegal and like

1651
01:08:08,660 --> 01:08:03,690
they say they don't do it anymore

1652
01:08:10,820 --> 01:08:08,670
yeah doing it there was the Tuskegee

1653
01:08:12,860 --> 01:08:10,830
syphilis experiment where all these

1654
01:08:14,450 --> 01:08:12,870
African Americans were getting sick with

1655
01:08:16,519 --> 01:08:14,460
syphilis obviously it was going to be

1656
01:08:17,870 --> 01:08:16,529
some speculation that or the

1657
01:08:19,940 --> 01:08:17,880
government's making us sick obviously

1658
01:08:21,140 --> 01:08:19,950
people are gonna make that conspiracy

1659
01:08:22,910 --> 01:08:21,150
theory up right because that's a

1660
01:08:25,099 --> 01:08:22,920
conspiracy theories go people think of

1661
01:08:26,809 --> 01:08:25,109
all things so there must've been someone

1662
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:26,819
in the Tuskegee syphilis experiment who

1663
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:30,319
are speculative they're making us sick

1664
01:08:35,090 --> 01:08:33,359
now yeah I see I see what you're saying

1665
01:08:37,039 --> 01:08:35,100
is that you'd see no reason to trust the

1666
01:08:38,740 --> 01:08:37,049
government people in power because they

1667
01:08:42,580 --> 01:08:38,750
have done things in the past

1668
01:08:44,440 --> 01:08:42,590
that were bad I'm singing I'm saying

1669
01:08:45,790 --> 01:08:44,450
that's good reason to be wary of them

1670
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:45,800
I'm not saying not to cross them I

1671
01:08:49,330 --> 01:08:47,210
actually trust the government with a lot

1672
01:08:51,370 --> 01:08:49,340
of things funnily enough for a friend of

1673
01:08:53,980 --> 01:08:51,380
mine is very anti-government kind of

1674
01:08:56,500 --> 01:08:53,990
anarchist I'm like we kind of need the

1675
01:08:58,330 --> 01:08:56,510
government like I see it as a vital part

1676
01:09:00,190 --> 01:08:58,340
of civil discourse and democracy like

1677
01:09:01,630 --> 01:09:00,200
government isn't always bad I trust a

1678
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:01,640
lot of government officials I actually

1679
01:09:06,220 --> 01:09:03,920
would like to vote I just think that

1680
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:06,230
there are dishonest people ya know are

1681
01:09:10,270 --> 01:09:08,960
certain stories honest and just like

1682
01:09:12,310 --> 01:09:10,280
just like anything I don't think the old

1683
01:09:14,260 --> 01:09:12,320
thing is like one giant big conspiracy

1684
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:14,270
like that's that's the one thing that I

1685
01:09:20,020 --> 01:09:16,400
don't appreciate is about a lot of

1686
01:09:23,050 --> 01:09:20,030
people who painted the Banco claim to be

1687
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:23,060
skeptical is that they kind of strawman

1688
01:09:28,180 --> 01:09:25,610
it and twisted as or just this big giant

1689
01:09:31,090 --> 01:09:28,190
conspiracy one no conspiracies do happen

1690
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:31,100
small ones do happen and sometimes they

1691
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:32,570
can be a little bit more tightly tightly

1692
01:09:35,500 --> 01:09:34,370
knit and you could imagine especially

1693
01:09:38,050 --> 01:09:35,510
like say if this was a military

1694
01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:38,060
operation you're gonna have people with

1695
01:09:41,140 --> 01:09:39,920
the highest class security clearances

1696
01:09:43,420 --> 01:09:41,150
people the highest levels of

1697
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:43,430
confidentiality it's really not that

1698
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:45,050
hard to imagine that it could be kept a

1699
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:49,610
secret when you have literal procedures

1700
01:09:52,140 --> 01:09:51,530
or a standard operating operating

1701
01:09:56,110 --> 01:09:52,150
procedure

1702
01:09:57,100 --> 01:09:56,120
keep secrets yeah now this is obviously

1703
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:57,110
these are arguments that have been made

1704
01:10:00,580 --> 01:09:58,640
before that you know it could be

1705
01:10:03,220 --> 01:10:00,590
compartmentalized but you know then you

1706
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:03,230
look at what would be involved in doing

1707
01:10:08,650 --> 01:10:06,410
that yeah the people the FBI basically

1708
01:10:12,190 --> 01:10:08,660
put at least half of their personnel

1709
01:10:14,140 --> 01:10:12,200
into investigating 9/11 so there was

1710
01:10:16,510 --> 01:10:14,150
somehow to have to prevent you know the

1711
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:16,520
entire FBI machine over several years

1712
01:10:23,260 --> 01:10:19,520
from dis growing every any evidence they

1713
01:10:25,450 --> 01:10:23,270
have ironworkers and firemen on site for

1714
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:25,460
a like a year sifting through the

1715
01:10:28,780 --> 01:10:27,050
evidence looking for remains of people

1716
01:10:31,540 --> 01:10:28,790
so they'd have to make sure that the no

1717
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:31,550
firemen ever found any evidence and if

1718
01:10:35,230 --> 01:10:32,960
he did find some evidence he would be

1719
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:35,240
have to be dealt with it's not quite as

1720
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:37,970
easy as I think it's you might think it

1721
01:10:42,490 --> 01:10:40,640
is to cover-up controlled demolition

1722
01:10:45,630 --> 01:10:42,500
yeah sure you could say that they

1723
01:10:49,210 --> 01:10:45,640
arranged for the plane supply yeah

1724
01:10:50,830 --> 01:10:49,220
that's uh you just made a very bad

1725
01:10:53,500 --> 01:10:50,840
hypothetical

1726
01:10:55,480 --> 01:10:53,510
scenario there were an FBI agent without

1727
01:10:58,020 --> 01:10:55,490
the silence of a firefighter at ground

1728
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:58,030
zero for evidence that they found

1729
01:11:02,250 --> 01:11:00,320
firefighters roll all over and it was

1730
01:11:06,340 --> 01:11:02,260
like as you say it was a hectic

1731
01:11:08,650 --> 01:11:06,350
extraordinary day I I can't imagine that

1732
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:08,660
the firefighters would be busy like

1733
01:11:11,770 --> 01:11:10,130
their main priority that day would be

1734
01:11:14,370 --> 01:11:11,780
saying no no that's not that day Oh

1735
01:11:22,150 --> 01:11:14,380
over the next over the next year

1736
01:11:32,230 --> 01:11:22,160
firefighters were on site every day my

1737
01:11:33,970 --> 01:11:32,240
mistake we do know a lot of the evidence

1738
01:11:36,990 --> 01:11:33,980
from Ground Zero was shipped off to

1739
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:37,000
China almost immediately and destroyed

1740
01:11:41,650 --> 01:11:39,290
well I think almost immediately is a bit

1741
01:11:45,370 --> 01:11:41,660
of a misnomer because it wasn't because

1742
01:11:48,580 --> 01:11:45,380
the the last column in World Trade

1743
01:11:50,650 --> 01:11:48,590
Center was standing like a camera it was

1744
01:11:52,030 --> 01:11:50,660
like at least six months later and so

1745
01:11:55,300 --> 01:11:52,040
you basically had hundreds of firemen

1746
01:12:01,630 --> 01:11:55,310
hundreds of workers sifting through the

1747
01:12:03,220 --> 01:12:01,640
wreckage do you expect firefighters to

1748
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:03,230
see with the naked eye that would be

1749
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:05,930
that incriminating as I said they did

1750
01:12:11,770 --> 01:12:09,170
see molten metal they did claim to hear

1751
01:12:13,630 --> 01:12:11,780
explosions so we do know that these

1752
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:13,640
people who have any testimonies are

1753
01:12:20,140 --> 01:12:15,890
making testimonies there's a lot of them

1754
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:20,150
they never found anything so so the case

1755
01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:21,290
that you make that they would all be

1756
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:23,450
silent somewhat not like that's not the

1757
01:12:27,340 --> 01:12:25,130
case because the not being stylists you

1758
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:27,350
have whistleblowers in all fuels by that

1759
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:29,600
logic if everyone was to be silenced we

1760
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:31,130
wouldn't have any whistleblowers but

1761
01:12:34,900 --> 01:12:33,530
nobody found anything in the debris

1762
01:12:35,530 --> 01:12:34,910
there was indicative of a controlled

1763
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:35,540
demolition

1764
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:38,090
no snow firemen came forward no FBI

1765
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:39,530
agent like sifting through the wreckage

1766
01:12:48,010 --> 01:12:45,170
Fresh Kills came forward what would be

1767
01:12:49,390 --> 01:12:48,020
able to see with the naked eye well you

1768
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:49,400
think that everything was just turned to

1769
01:12:54,610 --> 01:12:52,400
dust that was all every single chart

1770
01:12:56,500 --> 01:12:54,620
everything explosive charge went off it

1771
01:12:58,960 --> 01:12:56,510
would obviously it can it didn't go off

1772
01:13:00,160 --> 01:12:58,970
if if NIST they're not necessarily a 911

1773
01:13:03,310 --> 01:13:00,170
it's to believe because they say there's

1774
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:03,320
this red dust throughout all the dust

1775
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:04,610
which is indicative of

1776
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:07,920
unreactive thermite so some significant

1777
01:13:16,940 --> 01:13:15,090
portion of the thermite I don't wanna

1778
01:13:18,740 --> 01:13:16,950
get to that because that's a topic I'm

1779
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:18,750
not too sure about so I only want to

1780
01:13:29,210 --> 01:13:22,890
talk about things I do know so well

1781
01:13:31,550 --> 01:13:29,220
definitely understand what would be see

1782
01:13:33,380 --> 01:13:31,560
at Ground Zero with the naked eye that

1783
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:33,390
would be indicative that would that

1784
01:13:42,610 --> 01:13:34,770
could look any different from a regular

1785
01:13:49,010 --> 01:13:45,740
he would see cut columns cons that had

1786
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:49,020
been deliberately cut and if you read

1787
01:13:54,350 --> 01:13:51,330
the route it was a good book I can't

1788
01:13:57,050 --> 01:13:54,360
risk all right now but it's get called

1789
01:13:59,390 --> 01:13:57,060
vicious I think and he talks about how

1790
01:14:01,550 --> 01:13:59,400
he looked at all the columns on 9/11 and

1791
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:01,560
he saw that they came apart of the welds

1792
01:14:05,930 --> 01:14:02,970
they snapped up the world's basically

1793
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:05,940
they weren't cut by explosives there was

1794
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:07,050
nothing to indicate that they're being

1795
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:09,120
cut by explosives and you can see this

1796
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:10,530
in the photos yourself you can look at

1797
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:12,330
the photos you know from you know the

1798
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:14,850
day even the in the next few days you

1799
01:14:18,530 --> 01:14:16,170
can see the ends of the columns they're

1800
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:18,540
just they're just snapped apart there

1801
01:14:23,450 --> 01:14:21,090
wasn't there a need for explosives so

1802
01:14:25,390 --> 01:14:23,460
you respect to see if explosives were

1803
01:14:28,780 --> 01:14:25,400
used they don't just push things around

1804
01:14:31,130 --> 01:14:28,790
they break things in a certain way and

1805
01:14:33,020 --> 01:14:31,140
you would be able to see that damage and

1806
01:14:35,330 --> 01:14:33,030
there was lots of iron workers there who

1807
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:35,340
would understand how iron works there

1808
01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:36,960
are people there who were like cutting

1809
01:14:42,020 --> 01:14:40,110
up the columns and pulling them out of

1810
01:14:56,350 --> 01:14:42,030
the ground loading them onto trucks they

1811
01:15:02,810 --> 01:15:00,020
now there I'd be happy to see it tested

1812
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:02,820
me from iron workers because what I've

1813
01:15:08,660 --> 01:15:06,690
seen is yeah obviously on the day like

1814
01:15:10,970 --> 01:15:08,670
there was loud bangs because there was a

1815
01:15:15,140 --> 01:15:10,980
large building falling down most

1816
01:15:18,169 --> 01:15:15,150
collapsing there's videos of fine

1817
01:15:20,689 --> 01:15:18,179
workers with steel columns from mainland

1818
01:15:23,169 --> 01:15:20,699
bent in a perfect horror horseshoe shape

1819
01:15:26,449 --> 01:15:23,179
with the cut columns that you described

1820
01:15:28,129 --> 01:15:26,459
and now by the way I have seen that

1821
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:28,139
people have tried to pass off some of

1822
01:15:31,669 --> 01:15:29,610
the columns as being cut but they're

1823
01:15:34,219 --> 01:15:31,679
actually done after the welders that

1824
01:15:35,540 --> 01:15:34,229
[\h__\h] them in orders clearly did three so

1825
01:15:37,790 --> 01:15:35,550
I do know that and that's why I like to

1826
01:15:40,819 --> 01:15:37,800
point out work on your site that does

1827
01:15:44,679 --> 01:15:40,829
debunk things that are actually bunk

1828
01:15:47,299 --> 01:15:44,689
yeah so Miss Kitty so things like that

1829
01:15:49,129 --> 01:15:47,309
things like that do make sense and all

1830
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:49,139
I'm saying is that there or there are

1831
01:15:57,709 --> 01:15:51,360
some sources like I said so yeah that

1832
01:15:59,149 --> 01:15:57,719
there are these away no I'm saying is

1833
01:16:05,540 --> 01:15:59,159
that they probably just weren't heard

1834
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:05,550
about do you know about a think about me

1835
01:16:10,339 --> 01:16:08,400
but basically doc do you know every

1836
01:16:12,319 --> 01:16:10,349
whistleblower there is to know yeah I

1837
01:16:17,149 --> 01:16:12,329
know actually I don't really follow the

1838
01:16:19,759 --> 01:16:17,159
Bissell bros that much yeah there so

1839
01:16:21,410 --> 01:16:19,769
yeah well I would say that following

1840
01:16:25,429 --> 01:16:21,420
whistleblowers is something you should

1841
01:16:27,109 --> 01:16:25,439
consider doing in your noting is that

1842
01:16:29,109 --> 01:16:27,119
when I look into one of them they don't

1843
01:16:31,609 --> 01:16:29,119
generally seem to be that credible and

1844
01:16:33,259 --> 01:16:31,619
their explanations are confusing they

1845
01:16:36,020 --> 01:16:33,269
don't really fit the timeline there was

1846
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:36,030
like the the guy who thought there was

1847
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:37,170
bombs in the basement

1848
01:16:43,779 --> 01:16:40,130
he was the caretaker guy last minute and

1849
01:16:48,109 --> 01:16:43,789
then there was the african-american guy

1850
01:16:50,569 --> 01:16:48,119
who was in World Trade Center seven and

1851
01:16:52,819 --> 01:16:50,579
but yeah they that that guy he gives an

1852
01:16:54,709 --> 01:16:52,829
account of coming down into the the

1853
01:16:57,140 --> 01:16:54,719
lobby and stepping over bodies in the

1854
01:17:00,080 --> 01:16:57,150
lobby and the weren't any bodies in the

1855
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:00,090
lobby and yet he's being lauded as being

1856
01:17:03,500 --> 01:17:02,010
this this whistleblower this guy who

1857
01:17:06,199 --> 01:17:03,510
explains that there were explosions

1858
01:17:08,270 --> 01:17:06,209
before World Trade Center two collapsed

1859
01:17:09,949 --> 01:17:08,280
and people point to him and say look

1860
01:17:12,770 --> 01:17:09,959
this is this is evidence but you know he

1861
01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:12,780
got it wrong but people still point to

1862
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:15,360
him and the other guy they it's a

1863
01:17:18,739 --> 01:17:16,320
similar type of thing there were

1864
01:17:20,330 --> 01:17:18,749
explosions in the lobby he says they

1865
01:17:21,739 --> 01:17:20,340
were before the planes hit like

1866
01:17:25,069 --> 01:17:21,749
everybody else says that they were after

1867
01:17:26,299 --> 01:17:25,079
the planes hit and so it doesn't make

1868
01:17:28,250 --> 01:17:26,309
any sense that there would be explosions

1869
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:28,260
in the lobby before the planes hit

1870
01:17:32,060 --> 01:17:31,650
anyway and it would be very very obvious

1871
01:17:33,410 --> 01:17:32,070
it

1872
01:17:43,140 --> 01:17:33,420
have actually happened and lots of

1873
01:17:43,150 --> 01:17:46,419
[Music]

1874
01:17:56,959 --> 01:17:53,149
with noir blowers like William Binney

1875
01:18:01,220 --> 01:17:56,969
former NSA technical director he is also

1876
01:18:03,109 --> 01:18:01,230
a mathematician and he basically is in

1877
01:18:07,010 --> 01:18:03,119
disagreement with this finding of the

1878
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:07,020
collapse of the buildings yeah and you

1879
01:18:12,290 --> 01:18:09,360
can always find somebody who will take a

1880
01:18:13,370 --> 01:18:12,300
certain position but you know unless

1881
01:18:16,939 --> 01:18:13,380
they can actually come up with some

1882
01:18:18,050 --> 01:18:16,949
different evidence or a good analysis of

1883
01:18:19,970 --> 01:18:18,060
that evidence they're really just

1884
01:18:22,669 --> 01:18:19,980
working the same with the same set of

1885
01:18:24,109 --> 01:18:22,679
data as we are like the architects and

1886
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:24,119
engineers if you read what they say in

1887
01:18:26,990 --> 01:18:25,440
their position statements they're really

1888
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:27,000
no different just your average person

1889
01:18:32,930 --> 01:18:30,480
who's you know watched a few videos and

1890
01:18:39,709 --> 01:18:32,940
just come to the conclusion is that they

1891
01:18:41,810 --> 01:18:39,719
happen to be the architects no it's it's

1892
01:18:43,100 --> 01:18:41,820
I've read a lot of these position

1893
01:18:45,500 --> 01:18:43,110
statements and I don't encourage other

1894
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:45,510
people to do it too and they are all

1895
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:47,130
very similar they're all just like oh I

1896
01:18:51,620 --> 01:18:48,960
saw it and I immediately knew that it

1897
01:18:54,140 --> 01:18:51,630
was impossible it's like they have very

1898
01:18:56,030 --> 01:18:54,150
little data or they say they later

1899
01:18:57,260 --> 01:18:56,040
source on a video like they saw a loose

1900
01:18:58,939 --> 01:18:57,270
change and then they were convinced

1901
01:19:00,290 --> 01:18:58,949
because they watch a loose change they

1902
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:00,300
the architects and engineers seem to

1903
01:19:06,830 --> 01:19:04,320
have very similar routes into root into

1904
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:06,840
belief that regular people have like

1905
01:19:11,330 --> 01:19:09,810
they will watch a video or they had an

1906
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:11,340
immediate response when they saw the

1907
01:19:14,359 --> 01:19:12,570
Towers fall that they couldn't believe

1908
01:19:16,060 --> 01:19:14,369
that you know it was happening it looked

1909
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:16,070
really weird the explosions were strange

1910
01:19:29,350 --> 01:19:18,810
the way the tower was exploded outwards

1911
01:19:42,819 --> 01:19:32,629
no no he was a leader he's done a lot of

1912
01:19:47,070 --> 01:19:44,970
watched our worst

1913
01:19:49,710 --> 01:19:47,080
eight with you and Herman it didn't seem

1914
01:19:52,140 --> 01:19:49,720
like he just watched a movie and came to

1915
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:52,150
a decision about 9/11 that watched a

1916
01:19:56,030 --> 01:19:54,610
bunch testimony on a 9/11 a lot of them

1917
01:19:58,830 --> 01:19:56,040
are pretty knowledgeable like those

1918
01:20:01,080 --> 01:19:58,840
demolition technical order those

1919
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:01,090
chemical engineers people who do all

1920
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:03,489
sorts of things and we know love is not

1921
01:20:10,500 --> 01:20:05,890
just architects engineers as chemical

1922
01:20:15,620 --> 01:20:10,510
engineers as demolitions experts you

1923
01:20:17,310 --> 01:20:15,630
know what we did I did a paper I

1924
01:20:22,440 --> 01:20:17,320
collaborated on the paper about

1925
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:22,450
chemtrails a few years ago and we asked

1926
01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:24,130
a bunch of scientists you know whether

1927
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:26,080
they thought there was evidence for a

1928
01:20:30,060 --> 01:20:27,730
secret spraying program like chemtrails

1929
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:30,070
and we expected everyone to say no I

1930
01:20:37,100 --> 01:20:34,570
think we asked 77 people and actually

1931
01:20:40,830 --> 01:20:37,110
one guy said yes he said that there was

1932
01:20:42,330 --> 01:20:40,840
possibly evidence of chemtrails and he

1933
01:20:44,250 --> 01:20:42,340
wasn't convinced otherwise and there are

1934
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:44,260
people with PhDs who think that

1935
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:46,930
chemtrails are real and I don't know

1936
01:20:50,490 --> 01:20:48,610
what your opinion is about the chemtrail

1937
01:21:01,560 --> 01:20:50,500
conspiracy theory but you can always

1938
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:01,570
find someone who will believe for the

1939
01:21:05,940 --> 01:21:03,970
belief in religious duty I bet you a lot

1940
01:21:10,260 --> 01:21:05,950
more people would claim that than they

1941
01:21:17,940 --> 01:21:10,270
would yeah yeah if 5% of people think

1942
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:17,950
that 9/11 was other things people

1943
01:21:24,090 --> 01:21:21,280
believe in we're talking about great so

1944
01:21:25,670 --> 01:21:24,100
my point is always find somebody to

1945
01:21:27,660 --> 01:21:25,680
believe in whatever your theory is

1946
01:21:30,440 --> 01:21:27,670
there'll always be a percentage of

1947
01:21:32,460 --> 01:21:30,450
people who believe that you know a

1948
01:21:35,010 --> 01:21:32,470
theory is correct especially if it's

1949
01:21:43,020 --> 01:21:35,020
presented in a compelling way like if

1950
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:43,030
this yep good videos the official

1951
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:45,760
version of the story in this version

1952
01:21:54,350 --> 01:21:49,090
they're all also theories they are just

1953
01:21:58,979 --> 01:21:57,920
yeah sure what you mean by that

1954
01:22:00,629 --> 01:21:58,989
the

1955
01:22:02,370 --> 01:22:00,639
official story is a essentially a

1956
01:22:08,729 --> 01:22:02,380
conspiracy theory because it posits a

1957
01:22:10,339 --> 01:22:08,739
conspiracy amongst the terrorists of how

1958
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:10,349
they did it because like you said this

1959
01:22:14,009 --> 01:22:12,880
questions they don't know everything so

1960
01:22:16,109 --> 01:22:14,019
therefore since you don't know

1961
01:22:17,759 --> 01:22:16,119
everything it is just a theory based on

1962
01:22:18,689 --> 01:22:17,769
their based on their understanding of

1963
01:22:21,060 --> 01:22:18,699
how it happened

1964
01:22:24,259 --> 01:22:21,070
of a conspiracy so it is the

1965
01:22:35,370 --> 01:22:24,269
government-sponsored conspiracy theory

1966
01:22:37,859 --> 01:22:35,380
this this has been what you say

1967
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:37,869
government-sponsored conspiracy theory I

1968
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:39,489
mean like Donald Trump just part of the

1969
01:22:45,770 --> 01:22:44,530
government he's not sponsoring it part

1970
01:22:48,509 --> 01:22:45,780
of the government why you could say

1971
01:22:50,729 --> 01:22:48,519
bipartisan sponsored conspiracy theory I

1972
01:22:52,589 --> 01:22:50,739
mean from the Democrats then you have it

1973
01:22:55,109 --> 01:22:52,599
from yeah then you have it from the

1974
01:22:57,870 --> 01:22:55,119
mainstream media who are purchasing with

1975
01:22:59,520 --> 01:22:57,880
two people people like on shows like NBC

1976
01:23:01,799 --> 01:22:59,530
and whatnot so they were pushing the

1977
01:23:05,339 --> 01:23:01,809
whole was so what essentially was was

1978
01:23:07,529 --> 01:23:05,349
Russia and from but together conspired

1979
01:23:10,580 --> 01:23:07,539
that they were going to affect the

1980
01:23:12,959 --> 01:23:10,590
elections which is illegal in secret

1981
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:12,969
which is a conspiracy theory and they

1982
01:23:15,989 --> 01:23:14,170
have been pushing this narrative for a

1983
01:23:19,470 --> 01:23:15,999
long time a lot of people believed in it

1984
01:23:21,509 --> 01:23:19,480
and so my question to you like just like

1985
01:23:23,879 --> 01:23:21,519
you asked me if the 9/11 thing is true

1986
01:23:25,649 --> 01:23:23,889
how come so many people don't believe it

1987
01:23:27,629 --> 01:23:25,659
my question to you is not Russian are we

1988
01:23:30,089 --> 01:23:27,639
no Russia gave us false even reporters

1989
01:23:31,770 --> 01:23:30,099
come out how did so many believe people

1990
01:23:33,839 --> 01:23:31,780
humbly how did so many people believe

1991
01:23:35,339 --> 01:23:33,849
something so untrue I think it seemed

1992
01:23:37,470 --> 01:23:35,349
very plausible all the time because we

1993
01:23:38,759 --> 01:23:37,480
know that Russia did interfere in the

1994
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:38,769
elections and we know the things

1995
01:23:44,910 --> 01:23:42,730
happened like you know they had meetings

1996
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:44,920
with with Russian people not necessarily

1997
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:47,170
discuss that and we know the mother

1998
01:23:50,879 --> 01:23:49,360
report didn't exonerate Trump from

1999
01:23:52,649 --> 01:23:50,889
collusion they just said that collusion

2000
01:23:54,509 --> 01:23:52,659
was not proven he didn't say it didn't

2001
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:54,519
happen he's just saying there isn't like

2002
01:23:57,709 --> 01:23:56,650
you know enough evidence for him to

2003
01:23:59,339 --> 01:23:57,719
bring a prosecution

2004
01:24:01,169 --> 01:23:59,349
it's probably something we should

2005
01:24:02,549 --> 01:24:01,179
continue to look at and we know you know

2006
01:24:05,250 --> 01:24:02,559
like I said that the Russians did

2007
01:24:11,429 --> 01:24:05,260
actually do a significant amount of work

2008
01:24:16,979 --> 01:24:14,790
- because what all that we've known as I

2009
01:24:18,659 --> 01:24:16,989
didn't test for it completely so there

2010
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:18,669
is no way to say that then completely

2011
01:24:23,250 --> 01:24:21,610
happen we could axioms we can say that

2012
01:24:25,159 --> 01:24:23,260
it wasn't necessary for the buildings to

2013
01:24:27,810 --> 01:24:25,169
collapse based on our analysis of the

2014
01:24:29,729 --> 01:24:27,820
structures of the buildings the fire

2015
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:29,739
would actually cause this type of

2016
01:24:35,129 --> 01:24:31,090
collapse and this is what it would look

2017
01:24:37,409 --> 01:24:35,139
like and this that's really know from my

2018
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:37,419
perspective and from most of the the

2019
01:24:43,709 --> 01:24:39,130
scientists that I've talked to about it

2020
01:24:47,429 --> 01:24:43,719
and obviously NIST the the fire induced

2021
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:47,439
collapse explains what we saw and you're

2022
01:24:50,069 --> 01:24:49,449
saying that it doesn't explain what we

2023
01:24:52,500 --> 01:24:50,079
saw

2024
01:25:17,520 --> 01:24:52,510
or at least they're not fully in your

2025
01:25:25,319 --> 01:25:17,530
mind it's hypothesis that is that would

2026
01:25:27,299 --> 01:25:25,329
benefit well I'm gonna have to it's very

2027
01:25:29,189 --> 01:25:27,309
very interesting talking to you and I do

2028
01:25:31,020 --> 01:25:29,199
have to like cut it off at some point

2029
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:31,030
and or I could an hour and a half now

2030
01:25:40,140 --> 01:25:32,650
which is a bit longer than my normal

2031
01:25:43,049 --> 01:25:40,150
podcasts and I do have to go yeah it's

2032
01:25:45,629 --> 01:25:43,059
always very interesting talking to

2033
01:25:47,219 --> 01:25:45,639
people like you you you don't you don't

2034
01:25:48,449 --> 01:25:47,229
realize how long you can talk about

2035
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:48,459
these things but there's so much you

2036
01:25:51,509 --> 01:25:49,449
know there's so many different topics

2037
01:25:52,759 --> 01:25:51,519
but goes back to what I was saying

2038
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:52,769
earlier

2039
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:55,360
we're regurgitating stuff here

2040
01:25:59,669 --> 01:25:57,130
we're going over arguments that have

2041
01:26:02,669 --> 01:25:59,679
been gone over before many many times

2042
01:26:05,069 --> 01:26:02,679
and some extent you know maybe you're

2043
01:26:07,020 --> 01:26:05,079
educating me about you know things I'm

2044
01:26:08,250 --> 01:26:07,030
missing and maybe I'm trying to educate

2045
01:26:09,959 --> 01:26:08,260
you about the things that I think you're

2046
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:09,969
missing but these are things that have

2047
01:26:13,949 --> 01:26:12,130
been going on and on for for years like

2048
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:13,959
in for ever since the start people have

2049
01:26:17,279 --> 01:26:16,090
been having these discussions and I

2050
01:26:18,959 --> 01:26:17,289
don't really know how it's going to

2051
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:18,969
change because I don't think there's

2052
01:26:23,399 --> 01:26:22,090
going to be a new investigation and I

2053
01:26:24,990 --> 01:26:23,409
don't think you know when Professor

2054
01:26:27,630 --> 01:26:25,000
holsters report comes out

2055
01:26:28,710 --> 01:26:27,640
on September the 3rd I don't think

2056
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:28,720
that's really going to change anything

2057
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:31,330
people just nitpick it and point out

2058
01:26:35,610 --> 01:26:33,010
problems with it

2059
01:26:37,170 --> 01:26:35,620
so what what do you what's your feeling

2060
01:26:40,440 --> 01:26:37,180
about what you personally are going to

2061
01:26:42,780 --> 01:26:40,450
do regarding 911 in the future are you

2062
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:42,790
going to keep some kind of activism

2063
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:45,520
going or just posting online what's

2064
01:26:51,450 --> 01:26:49,210
what's your plan yeah that's a good

2065
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:51,460
question I'd say but yeah again I want

2066
01:26:56,250 --> 01:26:53,920
to say make like despite our differences

2067
01:26:57,720 --> 01:26:56,260
has been actually good it's been a great

2068
01:26:59,070 --> 01:26:57,730
experience to be on here and I once

2069
01:27:01,230 --> 01:26:59,080
again wanna thank you for inviting me on

2070
01:27:04,140 --> 01:27:01,240
it's been good to talk to you been good

2071
01:27:06,510 --> 01:27:04,150
clear some of the some of the thoughts

2072
01:27:08,670 --> 01:27:06,520
we have some disagreements we have it's

2073
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:08,680
how it's helped me and as you said it's

2074
01:27:13,260 --> 01:27:10,690
actually been educational to me in that

2075
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:13,270
maybe there's some things that I might

2076
01:27:18,540 --> 01:27:15,280
need to about reevaluate or look into

2077
01:27:19,950 --> 01:27:18,550
further and perhaps I hope that you also

2078
01:27:21,510 --> 01:27:19,960
have the same experience and maybe

2079
01:27:23,490 --> 01:27:21,520
there's some things that you might need

2080
01:27:27,480 --> 01:27:23,500
to reconsider look into further as well

2081
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:27,490
and yeah so in the future like basically

2082
01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:30,250
yeah I would hope that I don't do any

2083
01:27:35,610 --> 01:27:32,800
sort of formal activism let's say

2084
01:27:37,020 --> 01:27:35,620
nothing for more professional or

2085
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:37,030
semi-professional or anything like that

2086
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:40,090
I would mainly just cuz I'd run my own

2087
01:27:46,350 --> 01:27:42,730
personal blog and I think I would mainly

2088
01:27:51,450 --> 01:27:46,360
just keep it to that maybe just if

2089
01:27:53,190 --> 01:27:51,460
anyone in my friends work or if I do get

2090
01:27:57,900 --> 01:27:53,200
a little bit more exposure people read

2091
01:28:00,450 --> 01:27:57,910
it maybe they do but no actually I mean

2092
01:28:02,010 --> 01:28:00,460
it really depends it depends on the

2093
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:02,020
circumstances it depends on what's at

2094
01:28:07,050 --> 01:28:04,570
stake like safe if there actually is

2095
01:28:07,890 --> 01:28:07,060
some some movement to start a new

2096
01:28:09,780 --> 01:28:07,900
investigation

2097
01:28:11,490 --> 01:28:09,790
sure out support it I'd sign up for it

2098
01:28:14,970 --> 01:28:11,500
I'd do a petition for a new

2099
01:28:17,700 --> 01:28:14,980
investigation to be reopened right yeah

2100
01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:17,710
well maybe I wouldn't mind that being a

2101
01:28:21,900 --> 01:28:19,360
new investigation to be honest because I

2102
01:28:23,250 --> 01:28:21,910
think it would clarify things I really

2103
01:28:26,340 --> 01:28:23,260
don't think it's gonna happen though I

2104
01:28:28,590 --> 01:28:26,350
don't think that houses investigation is

2105
01:28:30,900 --> 01:28:28,600
going to provide any real impetus I

2106
01:28:33,660 --> 01:28:30,910
think a 911 is going to continue doing

2107
01:28:35,310 --> 01:28:33,670
what they do like promoting the cause

2108
01:28:38,220 --> 01:28:35,320
and raising money and trying to

2109
01:28:39,870 --> 01:28:38,230
read the word but I don't think I think

2110
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:39,880
is really going to change but you know

2111
01:28:45,540 --> 01:28:43,199
we'll see maybe it will and and I think

2112
01:28:48,030 --> 01:28:45,550
what I try to do is just basically try

2113
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:48,040
to look at individual things that are

2114
01:28:51,899 --> 01:28:50,050
false and try to clarify them and I

2115
01:28:53,669 --> 01:28:51,909
think that moves everybody closer to the

2116
01:28:54,780 --> 01:28:53,679
truth you know I don't think there was a

2117
01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:54,790
controlled demolition but if they're

2118
01:29:00,120 --> 01:28:56,800
walls then by removing things that are

2119
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:00,130
false it should you know make it more

2120
01:29:03,510 --> 01:29:03,130
clear what actually happened so I try

2121
01:29:06,419 --> 01:29:03,520
and do

2122
01:29:09,530 --> 01:29:06,429
yeah that's exactly that's exactly why I

2123
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:09,540
like I said I I do I do think there is

2124
01:29:16,020 --> 01:29:13,090
value in there obviously is about how

2125
01:29:19,140 --> 01:29:16,030
you in turning falsities in any in any

2126
01:29:21,959 --> 01:29:19,150
kind of argument or reports or or study

2127
01:29:24,930 --> 01:29:21,969
but it's just it's just the problem of

2128
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:24,940
while there are people who do see

2129
01:29:28,740 --> 01:29:26,290
conspiracies everywhere and I would say

2130
01:29:31,020 --> 01:29:28,750
like honestly it's really only 9/11

2131
01:29:33,510 --> 01:29:31,030
mainly that I'm not obviously when it

2132
01:29:34,979 --> 01:29:33,520
comes to media propaganda and so but

2133
01:29:36,629 --> 01:29:34,989
those things are actually documented

2134
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:36,639
like this myth Matt Smith month

2135
01:29:40,740 --> 01:29:38,320
Modernization Act like those aren't

2136
01:29:43,500 --> 01:29:40,750
conspiracy theories those actually like

2137
01:29:48,930 --> 01:29:43,510
proper media facts that we have in the

2138
01:29:50,490 --> 01:29:48,940
political landscape that's a 911 yeah

2139
01:29:50,910 --> 01:29:50,500
because I think we can talk about that

2140
01:29:54,030 --> 01:29:50,920
type of thing

2141
01:29:55,950 --> 01:29:54,040
some other time because I like like

2142
01:29:58,859 --> 01:29:55,960
broadening out into other other topics

2143
01:29:59,729 --> 01:29:58,869
besides a 911 right anyway I want to

2144
01:30:00,870 --> 01:29:59,739
thank you very much

2145
01:30:03,470 --> 01:30:00,880
is there anything you want to finish you

2146
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:03,480
off saying before we before the end oh

2147
01:30:09,149 --> 01:30:06,400
yeah yeah I was just trying to finish

2148
01:30:12,060 --> 01:30:09,159
off basically while there are people for

2149
01:30:13,919 --> 01:30:12,070
seeker see conspiracies I do think that

2150
01:30:17,310 --> 01:30:13,929
they're also people who just dismiss

2151
01:30:19,319 --> 01:30:17,320
everything out of hand and I think that

2152
01:30:21,270 --> 01:30:19,329
we just need to be careful of being

2153
01:30:22,620 --> 01:30:21,280
critical especially when it comes to the

2154
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:22,630
when it comes to things that a

2155
01:30:27,270 --> 01:30:24,730
conspiracy related I mean if you just

2156
01:30:29,310 --> 01:30:27,280
dismiss everything because it happens to

2157
01:30:31,649 --> 01:30:29,320
be a conspiratorial nature then people

2158
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:31,659
who do can you do conspire well and have

2159
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:34,570
they get away with them much easier yeah

2160
01:30:39,330 --> 01:30:36,610
absolutely encourage people to be

2161
01:30:40,979 --> 01:30:39,340
vigilant of of their own governments

2162
01:30:43,169 --> 01:30:40,989
because you know people have been shown

2163
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:43,179
in the past to do bad things and you

2164
01:30:48,959 --> 01:30:45,610
know we should keep keep an eye on the

2165
01:30:50,750 --> 01:30:48,969
people in power all right well thank you

2166
01:30:52,740 --> 01:30:50,760
very

2167
01:30:54,569 --> 01:30:52,750
something else it would be home with you